Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion

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Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion

IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS .......
Inherited from my Aunt Beryle a few years ago. Found it in her studio, no idea how she came by it!
Despite being paralysed from the waist down in a motor bike accident at 16 she became a respected artist, National Academy exhibitions etc.
As we all hail from Kent (mostly Folkestone) and Beryle often painted scenes of the south Kent coast, Dungeness, Rye etc, including the fishing boats, I long assumed that the boat, Reg. E714, was from a south coast port possibly in Kent.
After much research I discovered that she is a Danish fish cutter based in Ebsjerg on the west coast of Denmark.
https://www.google.de/maps/place/Esbjerg,+Denmark/@55.5432925,7.0472439,547434m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x464b20a619e30ce9:0xdde847ab4e4ae9d1!8m2!3d55.476466!4d8.459405?hl=en
The kit was built (or better said thrown together!) as a static model.
First four pics show what I started with! 😲
First job was to try to dismantle her without destroying too much.
Next 6 pics show the sad results. 🤔
Everything is tinder dry, brittle and very fragile, and mostly smothered in thick layers of oil based paint. 😡 The deck is paper thin, obviously just printed, and fell apart in my hands. No great loss as I had already concluded that a new planked deck was required.
Decided that first priority is to repair and stabilize the hull.
See next Update! A messy business 😲
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  1. hammer
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    Great job your doing Doug. I think its more of a challenge renovating an old model than building from scratch.
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  2. RNinMunichBronze
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    You're dead right Hammer👍
    This is my second renovation / upgrade and the third, a 28" PTB is also already started. I must be nuts! But then, that's a prerequisite for model boaters ain' it!?
    Following your 'mechanical engineering' with great interest and awe!
    Cheers, Doug 😎

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Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration

First five pics show 'square one'. 😲
Dave_M reckoned she'd been plastered not painted.😁
Before attempting to strip the hull I figured I had better stabilise it so it wouldn't fall apart when I removed about 1mm of ancient paint.
So I applied a couple of layers of resin and FG tissue inside. Pic 6. Not so easy between those somewhat rustically built bulkheads! They weren't even shaped so that the planking fitted properly!
Sanding was obviously out of the question so out came the heat gun.
On medium heat (ca 300°C) about four layers of paint started to bubble up and fly off, gently persuaded with a not too sharp 3/4" wood chisel.
Pics 7 to 10 show the results; almost more filler than wood and Horrors! Upper Stern / gunwhale made from a chunk of thick cardboard cut from a 3M sticky tape reel 😡 This was promptly replaced with a carved chunk of hard balsa. Pic 11. I will later add a mahogany step deck on top of the block, and a mahogany cap rail to finish off the hull.
Last two pics show current status after filling, sanding and applying a coat of EzeKote to the outside. Shame the woodwork was so bad, she might have looked quite nice with the wood cleaned up and varnished 🤔
In between these jobs I also stripped and EzeKoted and primer/filled the hull of the PTB I'm renovating as well. Saves getting the same tools and materials out twice😉 But that's another B....log!
As Bamber Gascoigne (What a moniker😁) used to say
"I've started - so I'll finish"!!
Oops! Forgot the last pics🤔 Last three are today's status 😁
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  1. mturpin013Bronze
    Admiral
    Thanks for Doug -I think! I've read it twice and things are becoming clearer, a third and forth time may bring crystal clarity I hope. All in all a very clever solution to a problem that I think many others would benefit from, well done Doug and thanks for the interpretation.
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  2. RNinMunichBronze
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    Thanks Mike,
    any other questions I'll be glad to try to answer.
    Maybe I'll start a micro-Business making the conversion boards 😁
    30 years ago I used to make my own etched printed circuit boards, maybe I should refresh that skill!? 😉
    Hope the info is useful, as a 'dumb' electronic eng. I'm learning a lot from all you 'mechanical wizards' as well. Makes for a great forum site😊
    All the best, Doug 😎

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Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion

As promised (or threatened?😁) stage two of the hull work and thoughts on motorisation. The hull was sprayed with two coats of grey primer/filler. Pic1.
As usual this showed up the remaining imperfections (pics 2 & 3), but I'm not going to worry about them until I've got prop shaft tube and rudder stock sorted out and permanently fitted 😉
After my attempts to make and thread a 3mm prop shaft went awry Martin (Westway the Mechanicals Master👍) stepped in and made me a decent one complete with a bushed stuffing tube 👍 Vielen Dank Meister😊
I did however manage to make a 4mm to 3mm reducer so that I could fit a Rabeosch 35mm prop as seen in pics 2 & 3.
The tube and shaft from Martin, arrived Saturday an' he only made it on Monday😊, have been dry fitted so that I can start setting up the gears, necessary to bring the drive down to the prop shaft fitted very low down in the hull, and motor mount. Pic 4.
Motorisation: (Remember folks - this kit was designed and built as a static model!) I want to use the old 1950s Taycol Target motor which my Dad originally fitted in the Sea Scout which I have renovated and upgraded to work forward and reverse with a standard ESC. See Build blog 'Sea Scout - Jessica'
Many of you will know that the Taycol motors were field coil motors, meaning that they have no permanent magnet around the rotor coil, and thus reversing the battery connections to the brushes had no effect on the direction of rotation, as this simply reversed the magnetic fields of both stator and rotor coils🤔
To counteract this so that the motor could be used in both forward and reverse with a conventional brushed ESC I modified the motor slightly (separated the two coils) and built a simple converter board to connect it to the ESC. Again see the Sea Scout blog for the details of the conversion.
Basically; once the field coil and brush-gear (rotor coil) have been separated a simple diode bridge can be used to apply the output of the ESC to the motor. This enables the reversal of EITHER field OR rotor coil polarity, depending on how you connect the converter to the motor. Thus reversing the direction of rotation of the motor. Beneficial side effect is that the diodes also suppress the commutator sparking😊
In my case, with the Taycol Target, I also cleaned, flattened and polished the commutator. Thus significantly reducing the potential for spark generation in the first place!
A peculiarity of the Taycol motors is that they all use metal brushes, pressed phosphor bronze strip, so they need oiling!
DO NOT oil conventional brushed motors with carbon brushes unless the brushes are exchangeable or you want to have to buy a new motor!!!!!
Pics 5 & 6 show the proposed position of the Taycol in Gina 2 and pic 7 the prototype converter board I knocked up to test the motor, together with a Graupner Navy V30R Marine Brushed ESC. Details and results in the Sea Scout blog, including video of the sparks and oscilloscope pics of the drive waveforms before and after conversion! The latter showing the spark suppression effect of the converter😊 Some samples attached - last 3 pics.
Pic 8 pic shows a more compact version of the converter, one of a few types I'm doing for Martin's various Taycols as a trade for the prop shaft he made for me and some useful material he sent. Thanks mate👍
Next steps will be
1) mounting the gears correctly on the shafts, requiring the manufacture of a 3/32" to 4mm adaptor and a 1/8" to 4mm adaptor, and keying them to the shafts - Hooray for mini milling machines 😉
2) manufacturing bushed end plates to hold the gears in place,
3) fitting the motor mounting platform. I'll probably borrow from my experiences of real shipbuilding and do this as a suspended 'false floor', i.e. mounted on stiff springs to enable adjustments to optimise the gearing mesh!
On real naval ships this is done to improve shock resistance and to minimise engine noise / vibration conduction to the hull, thus significantly reducing the acoustic signature of the ship.
Not that I'm tooo worried about being torpedoed 😁
Worth a try😉
Pic 9 shows the cleaned up and renovated Taycol Target motor.
Pic 10 shows the drive waveform complete with sparks before modification.🤔
Pic 11 the cleaned 'forward' waveform with the converter board.
Pic 12 the cleaned 'reverse' waveform, no suppression capacitors needed 😉 More soon folks, Cheers, Doug 😎
PS Along the way a new keel was fitted as can be seen in pics 1 to 3.
The original builder had 'buried' the keel in the hull planking! 😲
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  1. AlessandroSPQR
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    Per Diana! Questi sono gli articoli che mi piacciono!
    Pieni zeppi di informazioni e dettagli, una vera scuola.
    Sono impressionato dalle tue conoscenze navali ed elettriche.
    Credo che inizierò a seguire i tuoi lavori, c'è da imparare.
    Peccato per il mio inglese che mi limita molto la comprensione.

    For Diana! These are the items I like!

    Full of information and details, a real school.
    I am impressed with your naval and electrical knowledge.

    I think I'll start following your work, there's something to learn.
    Too bad my English limits my understanding a lot.
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  2. RNinMunichBronze
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    Thanks Alessandro👍
    I'm sure that your English will get better the longer you are on this site.
    You will soon be 'up to speed' with us.
    Any questions or anything you don't understand just ask.
    We will be pleased to help.
    I miei migliori auguri, Doug😎
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