Hi JB,
You have a good looking lathe that has some really nice features on it - and all for £4 in 1940 !
I admit to never seeing a Winfield lathe before - yours is the first and I like it!
If I see a complete one in good condition locally I could be quite tempted to buy it - I enjoy restoring and simply owning small old lathes as well as classic model power boats - and find it just as easy to waste a lot of time and money on them both! 🤣
Bob.
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi JB,
You have a good looking lathe that has some really nice features on it - and all for £4 in 1940 !
I admit to never seeing a Winfield lathe before - yours is the first and I like it!
If I see a complete one in good condition locally I could be quite tempted to buy it - I enjoy restoring and simply owning small old lathes as well as classic model power boats - and find it just as easy to waste a lot of time and money on them both! 🤣
Bob.
Hi Zooma, this machine is quite well built I think, and although it's showing its' age here and there, most of the important bits are still in good nick. The fact that it's survived this long and can still cut quite accurately, says something about the engineering on what was a cheap hobby lathe (4 GBP in 1940). A bit like the old Seagull outboards, simple, noisy, and smokey, but well engineered using quality materials, making them last forever. (I have 2 Silver Century Seagulls which are around 50 yrs old which still run perfectly.)
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Zooma, this machine is quite well built I think, and although it's showing its' age here and there, most of the important bits are still in good nick. The fact that it's survived this long and can still cut quite accurately, says something about the engineering on what was a cheap hobby lathe (4 GBP in 1940). A bit like the old Seagull outboards, simple, noisy, and smokey, but well engineered using quality materials, making them last forever. (I have 2 Silver Century Seagulls which are around 50 yrs old which still run perfectly.)
Hi Martin, it's nice to do something different now and again, and I think this will keep me busy for a while yet. Needs a few more improvements, but they all cost money unfortunately. Will be worth it once it's all done, and it's improving its' value and ease of use as well.
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Martin, it's nice to do something different now and again, and I think this will keep me busy for a while yet. Needs a few more improvements, but they all cost money unfortunately. Will be worth it once it's all done, and it's improving its' value and ease of use as well.
Your Winfield lathe's cantilever bed design reminds me of an old Myford ML4 I used to own many years ago, but the power feed and "twin rail" bed is much better.
I currently have a Myford Super 7 with a Norton gearbox that I will be selling soon as my small ML10 is big enough for the sort of minor work that I am likely to taking on in the future!
Your Winfield Hobby Lathe looks to be very well made and specified.
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Your Winfield lathe's cantilever bed design reminds me of an old Myford ML4 I used to own many years ago, but the power feed and "twin rail" bed is much better.
I currently have a Myford Super 7 with a Norton gearbox that I will be selling soon as my small ML10 is big enough for the sort of minor work that I am likely to taking on in the future!
Your Winfield Hobby Lathe looks to be very well made and specified.
It sounds like you are enjoying playing with your new toy JB.
I like your comment (when the finances recover) I have been waiting for years for that to happen LOL!!
Martin555.
Made another improvement to the lathe today, by fitting a new 100mm 3 jaw chuck. The chuck was purchased from a Machinery House branch in Auckland for quite a reasonable price. I re- subscribed to their on line update and mail-out site (joined 12yrs ago but forgot my password😐) and found I had a $20 credit which was a nice surprise.
They don't sell backplates for these, so I had a look at the backplate off the old Burnerd chuck, and found that the spigot diam was larger than the recess in the new chuck, which was a bonus. The backplate was firmly screwed onto the lathe, and the spigot was turned down for an exact fit in the new chuck. Gave the face of the backplate a light skim, then used the mill to correct the mounting holes to 8mm, as the original 1/4" holes were fairly close to fitting.
Fitted the chuck, and Bob was your aunty. Runs nice and true, and can now be used for normal jobs, (the old Burnerd only had large, non reversible external jaws, which weren't a lot of use. This chuck has a set each of inside and outside jaws and a chuck key with a spring, which prevents you from leaving it in the chuck.
Next addition will be a live center (when the finances recover😀) Enjoying getting into the improvements.
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VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Made another improvement to the lathe today, by fitting a new 100mm 3 jaw chuck. The chuck was purchased from a Machinery House branch in Auckland for quite a reasonable price. I re- subscribed to their on line update and mail-out site (joined 12yrs ago but forgot my password😐) and found I had a $20 credit which was a nice surprise.
They don't sell backplates for these, so I had a look at the backplate off the old Burnerd chuck, and found that the spigot diam was larger than the recess in the new chuck, which was a bonus. The backplate was firmly screwed onto the lathe, and the spigot was turned down for an exact fit in the new chuck. Gave the face of the backplate a light skim, then used the mill to correct the mounting holes to 8mm, as the original 1/4" holes were fairly close to fitting.
Fitted the chuck, and Bob was your aunty. Runs nice and true, and can now be used for normal jobs, (the old Burnerd only had large, non reversible external jaws, which weren't a lot of use. This chuck has a set each of inside and outside jaws and a chuck key with a spring, which prevents you from leaving it in the chuck.
Next addition will be a live center (when the finances recover😀) Enjoying getting into the improvements.
Re-Do you think the lathe will need to make more parts for its self.?
Quite possibly Martin, I'm sure I'll find something else round which needs work😁
JB
Hi Martin, I've started with something simple and will work up from there😀 No steam for me though, my models are strictly non polluting,- I like simple stuff, (might not look like it though)😁 Machine might be a bit wobbly to do the fine stuff for steam anyhow. Needs lots of love yet😊
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Martin, I've started with something simple and will work up from there😀 No steam for me though, my models are strictly non polluting,- I like simple stuff, (might not look like it though)😁 Machine might be a bit wobbly to do the fine stuff for steam anyhow. Needs lots of love yet😊
Hi JB,
In this throw away society where almost every thing is repair by replacement it is good to see equipment that is actually designed and made to be repaired.
Well you have made your first piece on the Lathe and no doubt there will be many many more.
I am just wondering if JB will be drifting into the realms of steam!
Martin555.
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi JB,
In this throw away society where almost every thing is repair by replacement it is good to see equipment that is actually designed and made to be repaired.
Well you have made your first piece on the Lathe and no doubt there will be many many more.
I am just wondering if JB will be drifting into the realms of steam!
A small update on tidying up the lathe. The left hand cast iron gear cover was missing one side, so I've made a new one from strip steel. Need to fins some matching paint for a general touch up. Also the lathe made itself a new part (1st job) which was the stepped set screw for the tailstock. I wondered why the tailstock shaft kept turning just doing up the chuck by hand. I adjusted the set screw in the guide which seemed to fix it, but then it did it again. I took the set screw out and found the tip had been broken off so had a play using the nearest bolt I could find thread wise.
The thread for the set screw was pretty loose, so the bolt I had just tightened up enough to be useful (probably UNF,- but no point checking as I didn't have a lot of old bolts to chose from,- can always re-tap it metric later) Allowed a bit for the tip, and managed to make it a good fit in the guide, with just enough adjustment plus a smidge before it got tight in the thread. Works spot on now and the shaft has little movement
I might be slow, but at least I'm rough😁
Need to work on the cam adjusting method for the belt tensioning, (just a 1/2" shaft with a flat on it)- nowhere near enough movement, as only 1 sized belt can be used at the moment. the motor side needs an independent method as well. At the moment, both are tensioned at the same time, so if one belt is slightly longer, it will be loose. The local Supercheap car accessory shop has high temp plastic tensioner pulleys for $15 which would do the trick, mounted on a spring loaded bracket.
Another thing which may be of interest is my favourite vice (not drinking or smoking😁) It's a Record Auto Vice, which I found in the bowels of a shelf of vices (there were 2, I picked the best one) in a big second hand machinery place. It has features for bending, pipe clamping, is 360Deg rotatable , and has a removable anvil (I'm assuming they had different anvil styles originally,) but would be easy enough to make custom ones.
Originally light blue and looking a bit rough, it was stripped and repainted about 12 yrs ago (needs another touch up) handiest vice for home use I reckon. Also have a std No 2 Record I've had for about 40 yrs,- never managed to break it, and it's had a hammering! My mate was so impressed with the Auto Vice that he went to the machinery place and bought the other one !
https://smallworkshop.co.uk/2020/06/06/the-record-74-auto-vice/
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VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
A small update on tidying up the lathe. The left hand cast iron gear cover was missing one side, so I've made a new one from strip steel. Need to fins some matching paint for a general touch up. Also the lathe made itself a new part (1st job) which was the stepped set screw for the tailstock. I wondered why the tailstock shaft kept turning just doing up the chuck by hand. I adjusted the set screw in the guide which seemed to fix it, but then it did it again. I took the set screw out and found the tip had been broken off so had a play using the nearest bolt I could find thread wise.
The thread for the set screw was pretty loose, so the bolt I had just tightened up enough to be useful (probably UNF,- but no point checking as I didn't have a lot of old bolts to chose from,- can always re-tap it metric later) Allowed a bit for the tip, and managed to make it a good fit in the guide, with just enough adjustment plus a smidge before it got tight in the thread. Works spot on now and the shaft has little movement
I might be slow, but at least I'm rough😁
Need to work on the cam adjusting method for the belt tensioning, (just a 1/2" shaft with a flat on it)- nowhere near enough movement, as only 1 sized belt can be used at the moment. the motor side needs an independent method as well. At the moment, both are tensioned at the same time, so if one belt is slightly longer, it will be loose. The local Supercheap car accessory shop has high temp plastic tensioner pulleys for $15 which would do the trick, mounted on a spring loaded bracket.
Another thing which may be of interest is my favourite vice (not drinking or smoking😁) It's a Record Auto Vice, which I found in the bowels of a shelf of vices (there were 2, I picked the best one) in a big second hand machinery place. It has features for bending, pipe clamping, is 360Deg rotatable , and has a removable anvil (I'm assuming they had different anvil styles originally,) but would be easy enough to make custom ones.
Originally light blue and looking a bit rough, it was stripped and repainted about 12 yrs ago (needs another touch up) handiest vice for home use I reckon. Also have a std No 2 Record I've had for about 40 yrs,- never managed to break it, and it's had a hammering! My mate was so impressed with the Auto Vice that he went to the machinery place and bought the other one !
Hi Steve, thanks for the link. Had a look at the site, pretty clever guy, real metal artist ! all those machines too!! Looked at the nice holders, but unfortunately by the time one got here it would be about $175 with tax, and exchange rate. The tool holder with is is ok, I just need to make a proper base for it to jack it up to the correct height. I don't want to spend too much money on bits, as I'm not intending to do much fancy stuff with it. I'll probably just keep my eye out for good used stuff on our local 'Trade Me' site which I bought the machine through. There is quite a lot of good stuff on there from time to time, and lots of machining bits and pieces. We also have Machinery House in Auckland which has truckloads of tools for machining at reasonable prices, plus a number of other big engineering sales outfits.
You could get carried away quite easily and buy all sorts of goodies😁 Re the belts,- I found some V- belts on E-Bay ($15 for the pair) - Chinese of course, so they might turn up before next century, but if they are wrong, no big loss, I have a spindle I can use them on. Can't get much service here at the moment, as many businesses are only dealing with essential or trade customers, and you can't get in to match things up,- like belts. These belts are imperial, but don't match too well (the head belt is too loose) and the way it's set up means you can't adjust them individually.
I'm probably going to fit an idler/tensioner pulley on the side of the motor bracket, so the belt size is not so critical. Also need to build in some more adjustment on the rear shaft cam system for the head belt for the same reason (maybe slot the bracket and make it a wind out tension set-up. Good thing about lathes, is they can be self perpetuating😁 I have a large Taiwanese bench drill mill which is super handy as well. Recently bought an Ozito cut-off saw for doing trailer work , so the metal cutting side is covered. Really needed all this stuff 40yrs ago, would have saved thousands of hours of hacksawing etc😁
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Steve, thanks for the link. Had a look at the site, pretty clever guy, real metal artist ! all those machines too!! Looked at the nice holders, but unfortunately by the time one got here it would be about $175 with tax, and exchange rate. The tool holder with is is ok, I just need to make a proper base for it to jack it up to the correct height. I don't want to spend too much money on bits, as I'm not intending to do much fancy stuff with it. I'll probably just keep my eye out for good used stuff on our local 'Trade Me' site which I bought the machine through. There is quite a lot of good stuff on there from time to time, and lots of machining bits and pieces. We also have Machinery House in Auckland which has truckloads of tools for machining at reasonable prices, plus a number of other big engineering sales outfits.
You could get carried away quite easily and buy all sorts of goodies😁 Re the belts,- I found some V- belts on E-Bay ($15 for the pair) - Chinese of course, so they might turn up before next century, but if they are wrong, no big loss, I have a spindle I can use them on. Can't get much service here at the moment, as many businesses are only dealing with essential or trade customers, and you can't get in to match things up,- like belts. These belts are imperial, but don't match too well (the head belt is too loose) and the way it's set up means you can't adjust them individually.
I'm probably going to fit an idler/tensioner pulley on the side of the motor bracket, so the belt size is not so critical. Also need to build in some more adjustment on the rear shaft cam system for the head belt for the same reason (maybe slot the bracket and make it a wind out tension set-up. Good thing about lathes, is they can be self perpetuating😁 I have a large Taiwanese bench drill mill which is super handy as well. Recently bought an Ozito cut-off saw for doing trailer work , so the metal cutting side is covered. Really needed all this stuff 40yrs ago, would have saved thousands of hours of hacksawing etc😁
Hi JB,
Great little lathe there, plain bearings I am guessing, why not try repairing the old motor before getting a new one?
For my 2 bobs worth I would use a standard "V" belt, taking the opportunity to inspect and clean the bearings.
A couple of years ago I bought a new tool holder for my little lathe that I would highly recommend, they are not cheap but they work really well, locally made as well, link below.
https://www.eccentricengineering.com.au/products/diamond-tool-holder/the-diamond-tool-holder
Cheers,
Stephen.
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi JB,
Great little lathe there, plain bearings I am guessing, why not try repairing the old motor before getting a new one?
For my 2 bobs worth I would use a standard "V" belt, taking the opportunity to inspect and clean the bearings.
A couple of years ago I bought a new tool holder for my little lathe that I would highly recommend, they are not cheap but they work really well, locally made as well, link below.
Hi Gary, marked everything as I pulled it apart (parts were numbered anyhow) and had no problems with it going back together. Still runs pretty true, but might buy a new 100mm chuck and use the backplate off the old one at some stage. Might need a bit of modifying (holes re drilling etc) but I'll see what's needed if I buy another one.
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Gary, marked everything as I pulled it apart (parts were numbered anyhow) and had no problems with it going back together. Still runs pretty true, but might buy a new 100mm chuck and use the backplate off the old one at some stage. Might need a bit of modifying (holes re drilling etc) but I'll see what's needed if I buy another one.
Just one comment which is to make sure that the jaws and the chuck are marked as 12&3, otherwise this leads to a few problems trying to get the chuck jaws to close properly, I've been there as some jaws are reversible. Regards, Gary.
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Just one comment which is to make sure that the jaws and the chuck are marked as 12&3, otherwise this leads to a few problems trying to get the chuck jaws to close properly, I've been there as some jaws are reversible. Regards, Gary.
Hi JB,
Shame we live so far apart as i would love to help you completely strip and rebuild your Lathe.
I don't know if this will help you with the chuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAco9J5FN6E
Martin555.
Hi Colin, the shipping from the UK is really steep,- some A series 13mm belts for eg are $53 to ship, but the belts are only $20 ! I'll have to wait till the businesses are open, as it's just hopeless at the moment. A lot are just operating call centers due to limited staff, and the operators can't tell you anything re specs, and you can't even order parts and pick them up. I can get a new 100mm 3 jaw for about $120, but I'll have to adapt it to the back plate from the old one which has the thread for the tailstock. I'd have to lose a kidney to have anything new made up here,- $100/hr onwards + material +15% grab and snatch tax !
It's like being back in the 70s 😐
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Colin, the shipping from the UK is really steep,- some A series 13mm belts for eg are $53 to ship, but the belts are only $20 ! I'll have to wait till the businesses are open, as it's just hopeless at the moment. A lot are just operating call centers due to limited staff, and the operators can't tell you anything re specs, and you can't even order parts and pick them up. I can get a new 100mm 3 jaw for about $120, but I'll have to adapt it to the back plate from the old one which has the thread for the tailstock. I'd have to lose a kidney to have anything new made up here,- $100/hr onwards material 15% grab and snatch tax !
Hi Gary, excellent stuff, thanks for the info. Sounds like that might be the problem, as I was doing a bit of research on them, and read about the start windings. Had no Idea about repairing the possible fault though. If I do buy a more modern motor, I will pull this one apart and see what I can find, and if it's fixable, I'd keep it as an original spare. Apart from the starting problem, it runs very quietly on its own. It'll be a beast to work on though, as it weighs a ton !
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Gary, excellent stuff, thanks for the info. Sounds like that might be the problem, as I was doing a bit of research on them, and read about the start windings. Had no Idea about repairing the possible fault though. If I do buy a more modern motor, I will pull this one apart and see what I can find, and if it's fixable, I'd keep it as an original spare. Apart from the starting problem, it runs very quietly on its own. It'll be a beast to work on though, as it weighs a ton !
Hi JB, and I think congratulations are in order regarding your new lathe which is in very good condition considering its age. This opens up a whole new world or at least a new chapter in your modeling career. I found that emco multi a very interesting machine considering its age and numerous multi-functions especially since it dates back to 1957 I believe. I have managed to get over the John Brown thing and am pleased to hear you are not mouldering, so now I have moved on to John B as in Sloop John B, which may be worth considering for your next build. I have dug out some info for you on (Split) single-phase motors which I thought you might find useful, it does give you the connections at the motor terminal box, and if I had to hazard a guess at your problem I would say it is the internal centrifugal switch is not functioning and is not closed consequently you are not energising the start winding. Regards, Gary. (From my apprentice notes of 1969.)
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VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi JB, and I think congratulations are in order regarding your new lathe which is in very good condition considering its age. This opens up a whole new world or at least a new chapter in your modeling career. I found that emco multi a very interesting machine considering its age and numerous multi-functions especially since it dates back to 1957 I believe. I have managed to get over the John Brown thing and am pleased to hear you are not mouldering, so now I have moved on to John B as in Sloop John B, which may be worth considering for your next build. I have dug out some info for you on (Split) single-phase motors which I thought you might find useful, it does give you the connections at the motor terminal box, and if I had to hazard a guess at your problem I would say it is the internal centrifugal switch is not functioning and is not closed consequently you are not energising the start winding. Regards, Gary. (From my apprentice notes of 1969.)
Hi JB, shame about the price, they last for years, all our old factory machines when I was working! Used the riveted version and I never renewed any belts in the 20 years I was workshop manager.
As for the chucks my Chester has a self centering 4 jaw fitted which is really good, I also have a standard 4 jaw and a couple of 3 jaws.
Best wishes and happy turning ,
Cheers Colin.
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi JB, shame about the price, they last for years, all our old factory machines when I was working! Used the riveted version and I never renewed any belts in the 20 years I was workshop manager.
As for the chucks my Chester has a self centering 4 jaw fitted which is really good, I also have a standard 4 jaw and a couple of 3 jaws.
Best wishes and happy turning ,
Cheers Colin.
Hi Martin, I think a new main chuck is more important for now, unless this local crowd has cheap belts the right size. had a look at the vid of the guy pulling one apart, and it's probably not as bad as I thought. If nothing was stuck, it would probably take an hour or so (main shaft, reduction shaft and rear tensioner shaft. Probably don't need to take them out completely, just enough to get the belt past. Once it was done, I'd probably never have to do it again, as the belts would outlast me😁. Here's the vid if you're interested. Slightly older model but all looks the same as mine. Looks like he's doing it for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Ns-H_Hnp4
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Martin, I think a new main chuck is more important for now, unless this local crowd has cheap belts the right size. had a look at the vid of the guy pulling one apart, and it's probably not as bad as I thought. If nothing was stuck, it would probably take an hour or so (main shaft, reduction shaft and rear tensioner shaft. Probably don't need to take them out completely, just enough to get the belt past. Once it was done, I'd probably never have to do it again, as the belts would outlast me😁. Here's the vid if you're interested. Slightly older model but all looks the same as mine. Looks like he's doing it for the first time.
Hi Martin re reply to Colin re belts, the type you've mentioned would be a bit easier to fit (even found some Genuine Myford belts the same (from Myfords), but either way it's over $100 (nearly $130) for two belts ! the shipping is ridiculous, which is what kills it, (plus 15% grab and snatch tax here on top.
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Martin re reply to Colin re belts, the type you've mentioned would be a bit easier to fit (even found some Genuine Myford belts the same (from Myfords), but either way it's over $100 (nearly $130) for two belts ! the shipping is ridiculous, which is what kills it, (plus 15% grab and snatch tax here on top.
Hi Colin, thanks for the info, might have a look at the sectional ones, probably the easiest to fit. I can't find anything here at all, so I might have to look on flea bay (assuming that's what you were referring to? or was it Amazzong) It seems to have uncommon sized A belts (Gates A27 and A31)
update-
Just had a look at the belts on E bay and Amazon, and they would cost me over $100 for 2 -1m lengths to get here ( shipping's the killer, plus the exchange rate), just a bit pricey. I think I can get A series belts here for around $20 each, (cogged belts would be better, as less tension needed round the pulleys)- will have to ring the outfit when they open. Not too worried, as the belts will hang in there for years yet I think (motor belt's no problem,- could even make a tensioner so a bigger range of belts could be used. Really just wanted to renew anything which looked scrappy.
Ordered a new Jacobs type chuck from Ali Exp complete with a 2MT sleeve for $30 which is cheap. I think the Jacobs 6A chuck has been used for drilling in the headstock (it has a 2MT taper also) and someone's drilled right through the jaws, so no longer good for less then 5mm drills! Rough ! Also need another 3 jaw, as the one I got with it only has non reversible external jaws, Original set must have been lost)- not much good if you want to get in close ! The 4 jaw looks new so will need to bung that on for normal use. bit slower to set up but at least it's in good nick.
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Colin, thanks for the info, might have a look at the sectional ones, probably the easiest to fit. I can't find anything here at all, so I might have to look on flea bay (assuming that's what you were referring to? or was it Amazzong) It seems to have uncommon sized A belts (Gates A27 and A31)
update-
Just had a look at the belts on E bay and Amazon, and they would cost me over $100 for 2 -1m lengths to get here ( shipping's the killer, plus the exchange rate), just a bit pricey. I think I can get A series belts here for around $20 each, (cogged belts would be better, as less tension needed round the pulleys)- will have to ring the outfit when they open. Not too worried, as the belts will hang in there for years yet I think (motor belt's no problem,- could even make a tensioner so a bigger range of belts could be used. Really just wanted to renew anything which looked scrappy.
Ordered a new Jacobs type chuck from Ali Exp complete with a 2MT sleeve for $30 which is cheap. I think the Jacobs 6A chuck has been used for drilling in the headstock (it has a 2MT taper also) and someone's drilled right through the jaws, so no longer good for less then 5mm drills! Rough ! Also need another 3 jaw, as the one I got with it only has non reversible external jaws, Original set must have been lost)- not much good if you want to get in close ! The 4 jaw looks new so will need to bung that on for normal use. bit slower to set up but at least it's in good nick.
Hi JB, I think what you need is a sectional belt, as available on the Web auction site we all love.
Cheers Colin.
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JB,
I am sure i have seen belts that can be undone and done up by using a rivet type connection.
When she is running to your liking i am sure we will see some great items being manufactured.
Martin555.
Hi Martin, I have a number of things I want to make once it's sorted so looking forward to having a play. The only bad thing is, if you ever have to change the belt, you have to remove the whole main shaft and the intermediate shaft, (there's a YT vid of a guy stripping one down, and it looks like a bit of a mission. Belts could probably do with change, but I'm not going to rush that job !😀
JB
VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Hi Martin, I have a number of things I want to make once it's sorted so looking forward to having a play. The only bad thing is, if you ever have to change the belt, you have to remove the whole main shaft and the intermediate shaft, (there's a YT vid of a guy stripping one down, and it looks like a bit of a mission. Belts could probably do with change, but I'm not going to rush that job !😀
I love it JB,
I like the way you can see everything moving, a really nice bite of engineering and it is good to see a machine that was made to last.
She seems to work very well for her age, and quiet too.
I am extremely jealous.
Martin555.
Thought this might be of interest as it's not a very commonly seen model. I bought this the other day, and have been re adjusting the whole machine. All the slides were too tight, lots of loose grub screws, belts needing aligning etc. It was quite clattery when first run, but now runs very nicely. This is a long bed model, and is from around 1940 as far as I can ascertain. Came with change gears, a faceplate, 3 jaw and a 4 jaw chuck (looks like it's had little use). The 3 jaw was very rough, so was disassembled, cleaned and re-assembled, and now is a lot freer.
There is a Jacobs chuck for the tailstock on a 2MT taper adaptor, but it needed the jaw apertures grinding out, as someone had been doing some precision hammering on it, and damaged the end, so it was hard to adjust. Probably going to replace it as it's had a drill run through the jaws by the looks of it The lathe has an interesting drive system for reducing the speed (there are 3 pulleys for normal speed changes on the top) which works on an idler shaft (large gear on one end and one 1/2 the diam on the other) which is (when needed) engaged with the mainshaft pulley drum and mainshaft and all locked together with a push in pin on the front side of the large mainshaft pulley. The system then drives the mainshaft at half speed (you can see it work in the video)
Belt drive comes up from the 1/2 hp repulsion start motor (no capacitor start, - works by having 2 systems in one - starts with brushes, runs by induction (brushes lift off after run speed is reached) which drives up to an auxiliary cross shaft, then to the mainshaft pulley. Belt tension is by a cam system on the aux shaft swing system.
Machine has a 20mm bore and is about 28" between centers with a 4" swing (I think). Plenty big enough for most modelling jobs and built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Weighs about 100lbs plus the motor which must be just about as heavy ! I'll probably change the motor to a std modern induction motor, as the starting circuit has a problem, and it has to be 'hand started' (bit hairy, and can be made to run in either direction at the moment)
Apparently some of the Myford parts fit, and I think that the tool holder is from a Myford. These small lathes keep their prices well, and seem to be quite sought after (even the Chinese or Taiwanese ones)- a nice Myford here just sold for $2000 NZ. A Chinese BB 22-2a Tru pro hobby lathe is at present up to $1350 on a NZ site with a week to go and 183 watchers !
I'm pleased I bought this one, as I'll be able to do many of the things I've been paying the Chinese to do for me (Ali Express)😁 as well as make fittings etc. Santa (me) has been good to me😁 The old Corolla I recently sold after 20yrs contributed to most of the price, so that's a good bit of recycling.😁 The lathe operating in different modes here,-
https://youtu.be/Dxg9RBazFMo
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VINTAGE BRITISH MADE WINFIELD HOBBY LATHE (NEW TOY)
Thought this might be of interest as it's not a very commonly seen model. I bought this the other day, and have been re adjusting the whole machine. All the slides were too tight, lots of loose grub screws, belts needing aligning etc. It was quite clattery when first run, but now runs very nicely. This is a long bed model, and is from around 1940 as far as I can ascertain. Came with change gears, a faceplate, 3 jaw and a 4 jaw chuck (looks like it's had little use). The 3 jaw was very rough, so was disassembled, cleaned and re-assembled, and now is a lot freer.
There is a Jacobs chuck for the tailstock on a 2MT taper adaptor, but it needed the jaw apertures grinding out, as someone had been doing some precision hammering on it, and damaged the end, so it was hard to adjust. Probably going to replace it as it's had a drill run through the jaws by the looks of it The lathe has an interesting drive system for reducing the speed (there are 3 pulleys for normal speed changes on the top) which works on an idler shaft (large gear on one end and one 1/2 the diam on the other) which is (when needed) engaged with the mainshaft pulley drum and mainshaft and all locked together with a push in pin on the front side of the large mainshaft pulley. The system then drives the mainshaft at half speed (you can see it work in the video)
Belt drive comes up from the 1/2 hp repulsion start motor (no capacitor start, - works by having 2 systems in one - starts with brushes, runs by induction (brushes lift off after run speed is reached) which drives up to an auxiliary cross shaft, then to the mainshaft pulley. Belt tension is by a cam system on the aux shaft swing system.
Machine has a 20mm bore and is about 28" between centers with a 4" swing (I think). Plenty big enough for most modelling jobs and built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Weighs about 100lbs plus the motor which must be just about as heavy ! I'll probably change the motor to a std modern induction motor, as the starting circuit has a problem, and it has to be 'hand started' (bit hairy, and can be made to run in either direction at the moment)
Apparently some of the Myford parts fit, and I think that the tool holder is from a Myford. These small lathes keep their prices well, and seem to be quite sought after (even the Chinese or Taiwanese ones)- a nice Myford here just sold for $2000 NZ. A Chinese BB 22-2a Tru pro hobby lathe is at present up to $1350 on a NZ site with a week to go and 183 watchers !
I'm pleased I bought this one, as I'll be able to do many of the things I've been paying the Chinese to do for me (Ali Express)😁 as well as make fittings etc. Santa (me) has been good to me😁 The old Corolla I recently sold after 20yrs contributed to most of the price, so that's a good bit of recycling.😁 The lathe operating in different modes here,-
