"I sometimes get my mords wixed up ..."
Dear old Reverend Willy Spooner has a lot to answer for Rick 😉
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Archibald_Spooner#Spoonerisms
Nerys at least you now have your answer, I expect you said yes.
I've never used them, but seeing all the good comments I think it's time I gave them a try.
Hope you're both still well and it looks like you may get chance to sail again soon, whereas we in England go back into lockdown.
All the best, cheers Colin.
Nerys at least you now have your answer, I expect you said yes.
I've never used them, but seeing all the good comments I think it's time I gave them a try.
Hope you're both still well and it looks like you may get chance to sail again soon, whereas we in England go back into lockdown.
All the best, cheers Colin.
Hi Cash and Rick, I always use Cornwall for any bits and timber I want, they have always been very reliable. Since writing my post I have had an email from them telling me that one item I ordered which was for the barge I am building as an antidote to the plastic in the LST is unavailable, and should they send everything else, back ordering the missing item. You know the answer.
Cheers, Nerys
Hi Cash and Rick, I always use Cornwall for any bits and timber I want, they have always been very reliable. Since writing my post I have had an email from them telling me that one item I ordered which was for the barge I am building as an antidote to the plastic in the LST is unavailable, and should they send everything else, back ordering the missing item. You know the answer.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Cash I to use Cornwall for parts.The UK seems to have most of the shops I use for parts.Must bite the bullet for shipping and exchange.
Nerys your parts will come soon you will be blogging in no time.
Rick
Cash I to use Cornwall for parts.The UK seems to have most of the shops I use for parts.Must bite the bullet for shipping and exchange.
Nerys your parts will come soon you will be blogging in no time.
Rick
Hi Nerys, hope you’re feeling better and you get your parts soon.
As an aside, I really like Cornwall, good prices and customer service. I have the feeling that Covid is slowing down both Cornwall and the post office..however, I usually get my semi monthly care pack from them in a little over 2 weeks. I really want to order a kit from Cornwall, but I’m afraid the price of shipping might give me a heart attack...
Looking forward to your build, please post some pics when you can, and remember, you have this whole board for help and emotional support.
Cash
Hi Nerys, hope you’re feeling better and you get your parts soon.
As an aside, I really like Cornwall, good prices and customer service. I have the feeling that Covid is slowing down both Cornwall and the post office..however, I usually get my semi monthly care pack from them in a little over 2 weeks. I really want to order a kit from Cornwall, but I’m afraid the price of shipping might give me a heart attack...
Looking forward to your build, please post some pics when you can, and remember, you have this whole board for help and emotional support.
Cash
Coming back to my LST, although I'm off to dialysis in an hour or so's time, for the first time in days, I feel like getting on with the LST, but, oh! no, I'm waiting for the motors and other bits to come from Cornwall, they've been on order ten days and no sign of them, and that's the first thing to be done on this kit. Lucky I have a barge I can work on. Can't afford to throw away any time that I'm feeling well enough to do something.
Cheers, Nerys
Coming back to my LST, although I'm off to dialysis in an hour or so's time, for the first time in days, I feel like getting on with the LST, but, oh! no, I'm waiting for the motors and other bits to come from Cornwall, they've been on order ten days and no sign of them, and that's the first thing to be done on this kit. Lucky I have a barge I can work on. Can't afford to throw away any time that I'm feeling well enough to do something.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Hi All - seems like the world generally is dumbing down to suit the "masses" as THEY say - whoever THEY are - the people in power one assumes. Suits governments as they can get away with more........
Had a visiting Prof from Cambridge telling me circa 97 that they used to get over 150 applications for 20 vacancies for a postgraduate advanced science/mathematics course they ran. They were weeded out for the pick of the bunch - currently they were lucky to receive 25 applications most of which fell out within 6 weeks...............
On a personal note at one time had a girlfriend who lived on the other side of the country ,
she was an English teacher - used to delight in correcting her spelling and grammar in the twice weekly letters we exchanged - sent her letters back corrected in red as a teacher would. Looking back after all these years she must have had a great sense of humour as we are still friends - hear via email once every couple of weeks as she still lives in the now Zimbabwe...........
Hi All - seems like the world generally is dumbing down to suit the "masses" as THEY say - whoever THEY are - the people in power one assumes. Suits governments as they can get away with more........
Had a visiting Prof from Cambridge telling me circa 97 that they used to get over 150 applications for 20 vacancies for a postgraduate advanced science/mathematics course they ran. They were weeded out for the pick of the bunch - currently they were lucky to receive 25 applications most of which fell out within 6 weeks...............
On a personal note at one time had a girlfriend who lived on the other side of the country ,
she was an English teacher - used to delight in correcting her spelling and grammar in the twice weekly letters we exchanged - sent her letters back corrected in red as a teacher would. Looking back after all these years she must have had a great sense of humour as we are still friends - hear via email once every couple of weeks as she still lives in the now Zimbabwe...........
Hi Kiwi,
Thank you for those examples of TV wisdom, they are always there if you can be bothered to listen closely enough. One I do remember was on the day that the queen took to the river with a 'great' pageant, was it Diamond Jubilee day?
The commentator was describing the scene as the massed vessels passed through Tower Bridge heading towards the sea. 'And as this flotilla proceeds 'up river'
Then visiting my son's school one day, he was about fourteen, I noticed a large hand made poster on the wall with a very obvious spelling mistake on it. I turned to the headmistress who was standing next to me and asked who on earth wrote that poster with a spelling mistake like that, she hesitated, what do you mean? They've spelt --------wrongly. Oh so they have, I'll take it down, it was Mr--------- (My son's teacher) My son, Eryl, told me a few weeks later that he heard her speaking to another member of staff asking her to check there were no badly spelt posters around, 'because Eryl's parents would be in that night'
Cheers, Nerys
Thank you for those examples of TV wisdom, they are always there if you can be bothered to listen closely enough. One I do remember was on the day that the queen took to the river with a 'great' pageant, was it Diamond Jubilee day?
The commentator was describing the scene as the massed vessels passed through Tower Bridge heading towards the sea. 'And as this flotilla proceeds 'up river'
Then visiting my son's school one day, he was about fourteen, I noticed a large hand made poster on the wall with a very obvious spelling mistake on it. I turned to the headmistress who was standing next to me and asked who on earth wrote that poster with a spelling mistake like that, she hesitated, what do you mean? They've spelt --------wrongly. Oh so they have, I'll take it down, it was Mr--------- (My son's teacher) My son, Eryl, told me a few weeks later that he heard her speaking to another member of staff asking her to check there were no badly spelt posters around, 'because Eryl's parents would be in that night'
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Hi Doug.
No inference pointed at you in that message.
Indeed you have an incredible eloquence in your replies along with an expressive sense of humour.😉
I took a job with Samaritans two weeks ago.It was going really well!
Yesterday I felt really unwell and rang in to go sick☹️
They talked me out of it.!
Have a good weekend all and stay safe.
Regards Bill
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi Doug.
No inference pointed at you in that message.
Indeed you have an incredible eloquence in your replies along with an expressive sense of humour.😉
I took a job with Samaritans two weeks ago.It was going really well!
Yesterday I felt really unwell and rang in to go sick☹️
They talked me out of it.!
Have a good weekend all and stay safe.
Regards Bill
That is why large companies are using Solid Edge which must be one the best CAD Programmes ever as it can construct exploded views three dimensionals etc.
Trouble is it is way beyond the average persons budget.
That is why large companies are using Solid Edge which must be one the best CAD Programmes ever as it can construct exploded views three dimensionals etc.
Trouble is it is way beyond the average persons budget.
Hi Jb,
I always have a pop at my self as i am the only person that puts up with it.LOL!!
Also if it makes other members smile or laugh then it makes me happy.
I agree live is to short to worry about such things.
I think we should now all just sit back and look forward to Nerys adding an update to this log.
Martin555.
Hi Jb,
I always have a pop at my self as i am the only person that puts up with it.LOL!!
Also if it makes other members smile or laugh then it makes me happy.
I agree live is to short to worry about such things.
I think we should now all just sit back and look forward to Nerys adding an update to this log.
Re- Hi Nerys,
Reading your description about the instructions it sounds like i was the one who had written them LOL!!!
Just pokin' the borax Doug,😁 have you been tucking in to the Schnitzengruben again ? 😂 I thought Martin had just finished having a go at himself, as he does quite often😁. I wouldn't have had a second thought about the other comment really, but that's me. Life's far to short to worry about little things, and we're all here because of a common interest.
On the other note, I heartily agree that the standard of English has declined since my boarding school days. The absolute gibberish at times on the TV is appalling and it shows with kids these days. One thing that always annoys me is 'people that' (all the time by TV presenters) even heard one say "the dog who" !!! There was a famous ad for the Union Steamship Company, with British actor Peter Thornton standing on the bridge of the ship babbling something about 'importing back into New Zealand', that was about 40 years ago and I still remember it!.
Here are a few choice examples from TV I wrote down over the last few months
"it's the craziest thing they've never seen before" - about a TV program
"where every shift is never the same" - ad for the British Ambulance Emergency TV program
"with vine ripened tomato sauce - ad for a food product
something was 'spreaded' - in a bread ad (ad was removed quite quickly probably due to complaints)
"Kiwis ask questions they want answers FOR" - a 'journalist' talking about elections
"want a hand with healthy"? food ad drivel what does it even mean?
"parents wait for the arrival of tiny feet" ad for British TV program, 'one born every minute' either the kid's coming out feet first or she's giving birth to a pair of feet😐😮
"when you move without limits" - from the latest deodorant ad, seriously, what the hell does that mean??
And dozens more on TV, radio and in advertising in shops etc. It makes you wonder where or if these people went to school (or why we bothered having English tests). General typos, mistakes etc are quite acceptable, we've all done it, but when journalists and teachers (my boys' teacher once wrongly corrected and marked down a word in his essay, which I sent back with him the next day with her correction crossed out and with a query on her spelling) do it there's no use worrying about it, we're not going to change anything. If one is keen on correct language usage, one will have to move to France ! - at least they are trying to preserve their language .
Just to show it's not always the lesser educated, dyslexic, or anybody with learning disabilities,- when I left the big furniture manufacturing business I worked for for 13yrs, I asked my boss, the Site Services manager for a reference. This guy(ex UK) was a brilliant design engineer, been down Antarctica, worked round the world etc, but the reference he gave me looked as though it had been written by a 5yr old,- I would have been embarrassed to show it to anyone. The thing is, it didn't stop him from being a clever bugger in his case. We'll probably end up eventually round the world, just grunting at each other.😛
Think happy thoughts all. And Re - humus, would I suggest anything Doug??, not me😁, unless the schnitzengruben were affecting you😂
JB
Re- Hi Nerys,
Reading your description about the instructions it sounds like i was the one who had written them LOL!!!
Just pokin' the borax Doug,😁 have you been tucking in to the Schnitzengruben again ? 😂 I thought Martin had just finished having a go at himself, as he does quite often😁. I wouldn't have had a second thought about the other comment really, but that's me. Life's far to short to worry about little things, and we're all here because of a common interest.
On the other note, I heartily agree that the standard of English has declined since my boarding school days. The absolute gibberish at times on the TV is appalling and it shows with kids these days. One thing that always annoys me is 'people that' (all the time by TV presenters) even heard one say "the dog who" !!! There was a famous ad for the Union Steamship Company, with British actor Peter Thornton standing on the bridge of the ship babbling something about 'importing back into New Zealand', that was about 40 years ago and I still remember it!.
Here are a few choice examples from TV I wrote down over the last few months
"it's the craziest thing they've never seen before" - about a TV program
"where every shift is never the same" - ad for the British Ambulance Emergency TV program
"with vine ripened tomato sauce - ad for a food product
something was 'spreaded' - in a bread ad (ad was removed quite quickly probably due to complaints)
"Kiwis ask questions they want answers FOR" - a 'journalist' talking about elections
"want a hand with healthy"? food ad drivel what does it even mean?
"parents wait for the arrival of tiny feet" ad for British TV program, 'one born every minute' either the kid's coming out feet first or she's giving birth to a pair of feet😐😮
"when you move without limits" - from the latest deodorant ad, seriously, what the hell does that mean??
And dozens more on TV, radio and in advertising in shops etc. It makes you wonder where or if these people went to school (or why we bothered having English tests). General typos, mistakes etc are quite acceptable, we've all done it, but when journalists and teachers (my boys' teacher once wrongly corrected and marked down a word in his essay, which I sent back with him the next day with her correction crossed out and with a query on her spelling) do it there's no use worrying about it, we're not going to change anything. If one is keen on correct language usage, one will have to move to France ! - at least they are trying to preserve their language .
Just to show it's not always the lesser educated, dyslexic, or anybody with learning disabilities,- when I left the big furniture manufacturing business I worked for for 13yrs, I asked my boss, the Site Services manager for a reference. This guy(ex UK) was a brilliant design engineer, been down Antarctica, worked round the world etc, but the reference he gave me looked as though it had been written by a 5yr old,- I would have been embarrassed to show it to anyone. The thing is, it didn't stop him from being a clever bugger in his case. We'll probably end up eventually round the world, just grunting at each other.😛
Think happy thoughts all. And Re - humus, would I suggest anything Doug??, not me😁, unless the schnitzengruben were affecting you😂
JB
Well I certainly got everyone thinking and talking didn't I. If may, I would like to relate a tale of my own experience. Many years ago I was working for a shoplifting company as a trainee draughtsman soon after finishing my apprenticeship, being the junior in the office I used to get all manner of strange jobs. The job relevant to this thread was to produce the working drawings for a quantity of fitted wardrobe fronts to be exported to the middle east for a large oil company. They had to be sent CKD that is Ikea style kits. That I thought was the end of the matter. Shortly after I was summoned to the works managers office, he was not a man trifled with so my first thought was oh god what have I done now? So, said the great man, I am a handyman out in saudi-arabia and I have just been given your Meccano set to put together, it would be nice to have a set of instructions and an exploded drawing to help don't you think? To cut a long story short said exploded drawing, annotated parts list and instructions were produced to everyones satisfaction (eventually). It was a highly educating experience I remember still to this day and one I recall whenever a kit-box is opened. Hopefully you are still awake at this point.
Stay well
Pete
Well I certainly got everyone thinking and talking didn't I. If may, I would like to relate a tale of my own experience. Many years ago I was working for a shoplifting company as a trainee draughtsman soon after finishing my apprenticeship, being the junior in the office I used to get all manner of strange jobs. The job relevant to this thread was to produce the working drawings for a quantity of fitted wardrobe fronts to be exported to the middle east for a large oil company. They had to be sent CKD that is Ikea style kits. That I thought was the end of the matter. Shortly after I was summoned to the works managers office, he was not a man trifled with so my first thought was oh god what have I done now? So, said the great man, I am a handyman out in saudi-arabia and I have just been given your Meccano set to put together, it would be nice to have a set of instructions and an exploded drawing to help don't you think? To cut a long story short said exploded drawing, annotated parts list and instructions were produced to everyones satisfaction (eventually). It was a highly educating experience I remember still to this day and one I recall whenever a kit-box is opened. Hopefully you are still awake at this point.
Stay well
Pete
Drift as much as you like Martin, it keeps people talking. I'll bring it back into line if I could only feel up to doing something and the motors and other bits would come.
Cheers, Nerys
Drift as much as you like Martin, it keeps people talking. I'll bring it back into line if I could only feel up to doing something and the motors and other bits would come.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Hi Guys.
Thank you for your support and comments.
I know i can be a little crazy at times and word things differently.
But i must say that this is my first time at being a site Moderator.
As Doug will tell you it is not as easy as a lot of people think.
I need to gain a lot more experience of predicting and defusing situations that would /could cause upset or become offensive to other.
These days there are plenty of people that find great amusement and pleasure in upsetting and annoying others and trying to make things unpleasant and difficult.
With this said i want to thank Doug for the excellent work that he has done in helping to keep this site a pleasure to be a member of and that he continues to do so.
Martin555.
Hi Guys.
Thank you for your support and comments.
I know i can be a little crazy at times and word things differently.
But i must say that this is my first time at being a site Moderator.
As Doug will tell you it is not as easy as a lot of people think.
I need to gain a lot more experience of predicting and defusing situations that would /could cause upset or become offensive to other.
These days there are plenty of people that find great amusement and pleasure in upsetting and annoying others and trying to make things unpleasant and difficult.
With this said i want to thank Doug for the excellent work that he has done in helping to keep this site a pleasure to be a member of and that he continues to do so.
Hi Doug,
RE:- I took your post as a 'shot across Swanee's bows'
In a way it was, Altho i did understand that it was more aimed at the instructions, it was the reference to the other post that created some comments so it was that i was trying to avoid from happening again but unfortunately it had an opposite effect.
Re:- Although you sometimes sign off as 'Admin' in effect we are moderators with limited editing rights.
I only use the Admin as a sign off as most people understand that to mean part of the site team.
Martin555.
Hi Doug,
RE:- I took your post as a 'shot across Swanee's bows'
In a way it was, Altho i did understand that it was more aimed at the instructions, it was the reference to the other post that created some comments so it was that i was trying to avoid from happening again but unfortunately it had an opposite effect.
Re:- Although you sometimes sign off as 'Admin' in effect we are moderators with limited editing rights.
I only use the Admin as a sign off as most people understand that to mean part of the site team.
Mornin' JB,
"LOL away Martin, I don't mind a bit, - at least it shows you have a sense of humour/humor/humus"
This forum is a democracy, we are all entitled to our opinions.
I'm sure you are not suggesting that I have no sense of humour!
But moderators sometimes have to take a more pragmatic view.
I have often used a whimsical comment to take the heat out of situations, but never Lots of Laughs when there's nothing to laugh about.
Nerys complained about the poor instructions supplied with her expensive kit, and Swanee's comment re poor/misleading language in publications that we are paying for was, IMHO, perfectly valid.
He just made the mistake of referring to his previous post on spelling and grammar, which generated some backlash. I stayed out of that 'discussion' as to a large extent I agreed with him, although I do appreciate that not all members have been blessed with the same education. I am also aware that we have a few autistic members and give them extra consideration, occasionally helping with a judicious (anonymous) correction.
However, if your and Bill's opinion is the general consensus then I will happily hand on the baton and revert to being 'just a member'.
Cheers, Doug 😎
BTW JB: re humus-
" humus is created through anaerobic fermentation"
What are you suggesting? 😮
Mornin' JB,
"LOL away Martin, I don't mind a bit, - at least it shows you have a sense of humour/humor/humus"
This forum is a democracy, we are all entitled to our opinions.
I'm sure you are not suggesting that I have no sense of humour!
But moderators sometimes have to take a more pragmatic view.
I have often used a whimsical comment to take the heat out of situations, but never Lots of Laughs when there's nothing to laugh about.
Nerys complained about the poor instructions supplied with her expensive kit, and Swanee's comment re poor/misleading language in publications that we are paying for was, IMHO, perfectly valid.
He just made the mistake of referring to his previous post on spelling and grammar, which generated some backlash. I stayed out of that 'discussion' as to a large extent I agreed with him, although I do appreciate that not all members have been blessed with the same education. I am also aware that we have a few autistic members and give them extra consideration, occasionally helping with a judicious (anonymous) correction.
However, if your and Bill's opinion is the general consensus then I will happily hand on the baton and revert to being 'just a member'.
Cheers, Doug 😎
BTW JB: re humus-
" humus is created through anaerobic fermentation"
What are you suggesting? 😮
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
Evenin' Bill,
"No need to limit the Lols.It’s all part of the interaction."
Up to a point Bill, but only when in context surely?
"Some people are more shall we say “delicate than others”
Am I 'delicate'? I don't think so. I believe that I've been pretty tolerant over the years.
"I interpreted it the same way as yourself."
I'm not sure how you, or even Martin, interpreted Swanee's post.
The way I did is indicated below in my previous post.
Cheers, Doug 😎
Evenin' Bill,
"No need to limit the Lols.It’s all part of the interaction."
Up to a point Bill, but only when in context surely?
"Some people are more shall we say “delicate than others”
Am I 'delicate'? I don't think so. I believe that I've been pretty tolerant over the years.
"I interpreted it the same way as yourself."
I'm not sure how you, or even Martin, interpreted Swanee's post.
The way I did is indicated below in my previous post.
Cheers, Doug 😎
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
Evenin' Martin,
"Unfortunately i always see the funny side of life"
That's certainly not 'unfortunate' Martin.
It's a valuable ability that sadly all too few of us possess.
And one that has helped me pull the irons out of the fire at several contract negotiations and many other 'real life' situations.
I believe that I have proven in many posts that I have more than my fair share of humour.
I don't tell jokes but can usually find humour in most situations.
But as Moderators we occasionally have to take a sharper more analytical view!
Although you sometimes sign off as 'Admin' in effect we are moderators with limited editing rights.
The only real Administrator, who can also edit the site coding, is our First Lord Stephen.
I took your post as a 'shot across Swanee's bows'.
In which case Lots of laughs, to my mind, was somewhat out of context.
Nerys was berating the poor instructions with her kit and Swanee's comment was, IMHO, relevant thereto.
Also using LOL as a substitute for a full stop devalues the currency.
A more subtle 😉 might have been more appropriate, as in "... to a blind horse".
Cheers, Doug 😎
Evenin' Martin,
"Unfortunately i always see the funny side of life"
That's certainly not 'unfortunate' Martin.
It's a valuable ability that sadly all too few of us possess.
And one that has helped me pull the irons out of the fire at several contract negotiations and many other 'real life' situations.
I believe that I have proven in many posts that I have more than my fair share of humour.
I don't tell jokes but can usually find humour in most situations.
But as Moderators we occasionally have to take a sharper more analytical view!
Although you sometimes sign off as 'Admin' in effect we are moderators with limited editing rights.
The only real Administrator, who can also edit the site coding, is our First Lord Stephen.
I took your post as a 'shot across Swanee's bows'.
In which case Lots of laughs, to my mind, was somewhat out of context.
Nerys was berating the poor instructions with her kit and Swanee's comment was, IMHO, relevant thereto.
Also using LOL as a substitute for a full stop devalues the currency.
A more subtle 😉 might have been more appropriate, as in "... to a blind horse".
Cheers, Doug 😎
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
Hi Martin.
No need to limit the Lols.It’s all part of the interaction.
Some people are more shall we say “delicate than others”
I interpreted it the same way as yourself.
Stay safe all.
Regards Bill.
Hi Martin.
No need to limit the Lols.It’s all part of the interaction.
Some people are more shall we say “delicate than others”
I interpreted it the same way as yourself.
Stay safe all.
Regards Bill.
Hi Mike,
Thanks for that nice comment.
Unfortunately i always see the funny side of life as a few members that i speak to on a regular basis will tell you.
Martin555.
Hi Mike,
Thanks for that nice comment.
Unfortunately i always see the funny side of life as a few members that i speak to on a regular basis will tell you.
It will definitely be more use than wrong instructions,
I found it a great help whilst building the USS Kidd,
at least you can see what they are trying to tell you in words.😊
Cheers, Pete
It will definitely be more use than wrong instructions,
I found it a great help whilst building the USS Kidd,
at least you can see what they are trying to tell you in words.😊
Hi Doug,
RE :- BTW Martin: I deleted the LOLs from your post as I couldn't see the relevance in this instance!
What's to laugh at?
I was obviously reading Swanee's post differently to most.
I apologise if it upset anyone.
I think i should limit my replies in future.
However i totally agree that kits are definitely over priced and most instructions are very poor.
Martin555.
Frankly Ian, I think most kits are grossly overpriced, I seriously thought of building the LST from scratch had my health been better and i wasn't so weak, but, I didn't think I'd manage it, but having seen the kit, I'm not so sure.
All the best, Nerys
Frankly Ian, I think most kits are grossly overpriced, I seriously thought of building the LST from scratch had my health been better and i wasn't so weak, but, I didn't think I'd manage it, but having seen the kit, I'm not so sure.
All the best, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Sure some manufacturers are terrible with building plans and instrutions My Sea Queen Plans supplied by Jotika show no cross section. OK I didn't need it but to charge +/- GBP 230.00 I would expect a slightly better plan and instructions
Sure some manufacturers are terrible with building plans and instrutions My Sea Queen Plans supplied by Jotika show no cross section. OK I didn't need it but to charge +/- GBP 230.00 I would expect a slightly better plan and instructions
Yes Pete, they have supplied one but I must admit I haven't looked at it yet. Are you suggesting it might be more use than the written instructions?
All the best, Nerys
Another point I forgot to mention Nerys was, did Deans offer you a CD build log? I am unsure if they did one for the LST, I got one for my 'USS KIDD' and also one for my 'St Olaf', they have one for every build I believe, but you will have to ask them if there is one available for your kit.😊
Cheers, Pete
Another point I forgot to mention Nerys was, did Deans offer you a CD build log? I am unsure if they did one for the LST, I got one for my 'USS KIDD' and also one for my 'St Olaf', they have one for every build I believe, but you will have to ask them if there is one available for your kit.😊
"I will leave it there !!"
Better so Martin.
Swanee's comment was not unjustified.
Subject of discussion is the instructions supplied by a reputable and long standing English manufacturer.
With so many years experience they should be capable of writing clear, concise and understandable instructions. Or at least installing a dictionary in their word processor, and USING IT🙄
At the very least they should have someone, not the author, proof read each document before it is unleashed on an unsuspecting consumer public.
BTW: I have similar issues with the instructions supplied with my Deans HMS Manxman kit.
Also most of the construction photos supplied are very small, low resolution and often out of focus.🤔
I strongly suspect that most of the issues with the text stem from using old version from other kits, copy and paste, modifying it for the new model, without correcting old errors (thus perpetuating them🤔) and often overlooking / forgetting to delete steps not relevant to the new kit.
I ran across this phenomenon in my work here in Germany.
Time and time again I noticed the same old translation errors and outdated information in system descriptions presented to me for appraisal before issuing to the end user.
This prompted me to write a template document, with built in automation identifying customer, ship type, project number, issue number etc etc, and several subsystem description text / graphic blocks, which I put into our central doc library.
What happened? Several engineers continued to just go back to their last document and edit it for the new customer. With all the old errors and often forgetting to delete references to other customers or subsystems not part of the new project!! Sometimes even forgetting to delete references to systems/equipment/processes that the new customer was not even allowed to know about, let alone use!!!
They then made long faces when I rejected it.☹️
Dean's kits are not cheap so I think we could be forgiven for expecting a little more professionalism.
I often discretely correct spelling mistakes, or evidence that the dreaded Auto-correct has changed a word (nobody really writes defiantly when they mean definitely!), in Posts when the mistake / auto-correction changes or destroys the sense of the sentence.
I can only repeat what I wrote once before -
Folks; we all make typos so please; before you hit the Post Reply button go back to the top and read your whole post through - Proof reading😉
Also; install the relevant dictionary on your device, switch off the Auto-correct and activate Check Spelling.
Misspelt words, or words not in the dictionary, will then be underlined in red (Windows).
Right click on that word and the dictionary will offer a selection of possible correct words.
Either select the correct word, manually correct it, or select Add to dictionary if you are sure that the word is correct.
Doug.
BTW Martin: I deleted the LOLs from your post as I couldn't see the relevance in this instance!
What's to laugh at?
"I will leave it there !!"
Better so Martin.
Swanee's comment was not unjustified.
Subject of discussion is the instructions supplied by a reputable and long standing English manufacturer.
With so many years experience they should be capable of writing clear, concise and understandable instructions. Or at least installing a dictionary in their word processor, and USING IT🙄
At the very least they should have someone, not the author, proof read each document before it is unleashed on an unsuspecting consumer public.
BTW: I have similar issues with the instructions supplied with my Deans HMS Manxman kit.
Also most of the construction photos supplied are very small, low resolution and often out of focus.🤔
I strongly suspect that most of the issues with the text stem from using old version from other kits, copy and paste, modifying it for the new model, without correcting old errors (thus perpetuating them🤔) and often overlooking / forgetting to delete steps not relevant to the new kit.
I ran across this phenomenon in my work here in Germany.
Time and time again I noticed the same old translation errors and outdated information in system descriptions presented to me for appraisal before issuing to the end user.
This prompted me to write a template document, with built in automation identifying customer, ship type, project number, issue number etc etc, and several subsystem description text / graphic blocks, which I put into our central doc library.
What happened? Several engineers continued to just go back to their last document and edit it for the new customer. With all the old errors and often forgetting to delete references to other customers or subsystems not part of the new project!! Sometimes even forgetting to delete references to systems/equipment/processes that the new customer was not even allowed to know about, let alone use!!!
They then made long faces when I rejected it.☹️
Dean's kits are not cheap so I think we could be forgiven for expecting a little more professionalism.
I often discretely correct spelling mistakes, or evidence that the dreaded Auto-correct has changed a word (nobody really writes defiantly when they mean definitely!), in Posts when the mistake / auto-correction changes or destroys the sense of the sentence.
I can only repeat what I wrote once before -
Folks; we all make typos so please; before you hit the Post Reply button go back to the top and read your whole post through - Proof reading😉
Also; install the relevant dictionary on your device, switch off the Auto-correct and activate Check Spelling.
Misspelt words, or words not in the dictionary, will then be underlined in red (Windows).
Right click on that word and the dictionary will offer a selection of possible correct words.
Either select the correct word, manually correct it, or select Add to dictionary if you are sure that the word is correct.
Doug.
BTW Martin: I deleted the LOLs from your post as I couldn't see the relevance in this instance!
What's to laugh at?
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
Hi Swanee,
You might be lucky this time and get away with it !!
But we all know what you are saying.
I will leave it there !!
Martin555.
If it looks right it probably is.
Nerys.
I've seen some appallingly written instructions by UK based manufacturers where grammar and spelling is given no consideration at all, so it's not just the Chinese with their highly amusing 'Chinglish' that we've all seen that are guilty of mangling the English language. It does make me wonder if anyone at Deans actually bothers to read what they have written from the point of view of the constructor.
I hope the quality of the kit is better than the words that accompany it 😉
Rob.
Nerys.
I've seen some appallingly written instructions by UK based manufacturers where grammar and spelling is given no consideration at all, so it's not just the Chinese with their highly amusing 'Chinglish' that we've all seen that are guilty of mangling the English language. It does make me wonder if anyone at Deans actually bothers to read what they have written from the point of view of the constructor.
I hope the quality of the kit is better than the words that accompany it 😉
Rob.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana"
Nerys.
Be careful about complaining about bad spelling and grammar. I was foolish enough to mention them on a blog not a million miles away and was firmly rebuked. I am afraid that you and I are old school as they these days and these things matter to us. To me writing garbage for public consumption is bad form. Now I expect another shellacking, still it keeps people awake.
Stay healthy one and all.
Nerys.
Be careful about complaining about bad spelling and grammar. I was foolish enough to mention them on a blog not a million miles away and was firmly rebuked. I am afraid that you and I are old school as they these days and these things matter to us. To me writing garbage for public consumption is bad form. Now I expect another shellacking, still it keeps people awake.
Stay healthy one and all.
Thanks Pete and Cash. I've read the instructions through twice and there's a lot to be desired, I haven't made a lot of sense of much of them and there is at least one step that is not relevant. I don't go much on the illustrations either, somewhat blurry.
Somehow, I'm beginning to think that this won't be the last moan I have either.
Cheers, Nerys
Thanks Pete and Cash. I've read the instructions through twice and there's a lot to be desired, I haven't made a lot of sense of much of them and there is at least one step that is not relevant. I don't go much on the illustrations either, somewhat blurry.
Somehow, I'm beginning to think that this won't be the last moan I have either.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
When I built my PBR I found the same thing, including a section that had me building a section that was discussed 2 pages back. I think you have to use the plans to build and consider the written instructions the same as the Pirates Code from the first Pirates of the Caribbean...”they’re more like guidelines”🤣🤣
Cash
When I built my PBR I found the same thing, including a section that had me building a section that was discussed 2 pages back. I think you have to use the plans to build and consider the written instructions the same as the Pirates Code from the first Pirates of the Caribbean...”they’re more like guidelines”🤣🤣
Cash
Instructions are not their forte Nerys, you will also find a step that is nothing to do with your kit, they have some of the worst instructions that I have ever seen in a kit.
Cheers, Pete
Instructions are not their forte Nerys, you will also find a step that is nothing to do with your kit, they have some of the worst instructions that I have ever seen in a kit.
I've been reading through the instructions for the LST. More than enough spelling mistakes, typos and words that I do not recognise make them quite difficult to follow in places. Common sense will have to rule me thinks.
Cheers, Nerys
I've been reading through the instructions for the LST. More than enough spelling mistakes, typos and words that I do not recognise make them quite difficult to follow in places. Common sense will have to rule me thinks.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
