I've replaced the old 6v sealed wet battery with a lipo 3s,11.1 volt 2200mhz, 100c spectrum smart battery. so the 1st run was cautious i just fired up the centre prop to see how she performed, well i was surprised at the turn of speed she had on just 1 prop, and how well she planed, it was a little awkward filming and controlling the boat by myself as i was the only one pond side. this was not without mishaps though, see 2nd video
After checking the boat over she was found to be unmarked and no bits missing, not bad to say she hit the pontoon at full speed, took off and plunged back in at the other side.
So the second run i started on the centre prop and then opened her up on the outer 2, she shot forward and immediately stalled, dead in the water. luckily i could reach her with the ponds barge pole to pull her to the side. i found the fuse had blown , i had fitted a 20amp mini flat fuse, i didn't have a 30amp only another 20amp which blew just as quick, upon opening up the outer props.
any ideas anyone or will a 30amp do the job, or a 2s battery? help any suggestions considered.
Roger
Hi Ronan
Thanks for your input.
Its starting to make sense now.
I bit the bullitt and bought a lipo battery and charger. I ended with a spectrum smart 2200mhz,3s, 11.1v,100c.i had a choice of a 30c but thought it may not be man enough for 3 motors so looked at the 50c, but was out of stock, so i ended with the 100c it was the same price as the 50c anyway. The charger was a spectrum smart type to. This monitors the battery and hopefully does everything automatically.
Once again thanks for your help and encouragement
Roger
Hi Roger,
You are learning well! A similar road to the one I travelled a couple of years ago.
Hard to see the fuse block on my Brave now, but here is one am assembling for my next project. Got my fuse blocks off Banggood, they offer both 4 and 6 fuse ones.
Used a 6 on the Brave as wanted a fuse per motor, currently using 30 A capacity. Should protect the 50 A ESCs. Bigger fuses and even re-settable ones can be fitted into the block if warranted.
The home made buss bar and battery connector are visible.
Hope this helps.
Rowen
100C should be more that adequate, mine is 30C. You should be able to drive a welder with it too!
Part 1. ideal conditions; nearly 30°C, cool Bier at hand😜
Sea Scout built by Dad in the early sixties with a Taycol Target and 6V lead acid wet cells (very wet😡). Renovated and dragged into the 21st century over the last several months 😉
See Build Blog 'Sea Scout 'Jessica'' for details!
Motor: Propdrive 2830, 1000kV, 30mm 3 blade Raboesch prop. Quicrun 16BL30 (30A) ESC with BEC.
Tested with 3 battery types, all started with 99% measured capacity-
1. NiMh 4.2Ah 7.2V, nom. 408gm.
Result: Speed sedate (OK 😉scale river cruising!) No planing.
Max current: 3.6A
End status V / capacity left: At end of short run ca 3 mins. 7.78V 99%.
2. 2S LiPo 4.0Ah 7.4V nom. 257gm.
Result: Speed still sedate but due to lower batt weight at least the forefoot came out of the wet stuff! Max current: 4.1A
End status V / capacity left: At end of short run ca 3 mins. 8.25V 93%.
3. 3S LiPo 4.0Ah 11.1V nom. 315gm.
Result: Now we're getting somewhere!!😁
Good speed, manoeuvrability and planing 😊 Max current: 7.5A
End status: 11.95V 74% after several long runs, ca 20 mins total.
Estimated (extrapolated) endurance on a 4Ah LiPo around one hour - mostly 'full bore' - 'Pedal to the metal man' 😊
See also:
The competition!
Final run. (Beer was getting warm😁)
Cap'ns log entry:
Boat dead-weight w/o battery: 1.8kg.
Spray rails to be added!😲
Slight list to port to be trimmed.
Rudder servo to be reversed!!😲
Keel protection to be added: some scratches and flaking from stony sloping shore 🤔
Summary: much as expected👍 Forget anything less than 3S.
Anyone want to buy a batch (4) of new 2S 4Ah 45C Lipos? 'One careful owner'!
Happy boating people, Cheers Doug 😎
PS Many thanks to Camera girl Gisela 👍
Recorded in 1080p HD.
Hi Will,
The videos were all taken at stage 3. 'Now we're getting somewhere' with the 3S LiPo.
As depicted in the report there wasn't anything worth filming on either the 7.2V NiMh or the 7.4V 2S LiPo. Plod plod boring! I wasn't really surprised. I just wanted to know 😉
Cheers, Doug 😎
well finally got there. she sits a little low in the water, but evenly along the water line. this was with the battery central to the hull. when powered up the centre screw alone moved her quite serenely and was very manoeuvrable. when power was added to the outer screws I would say she didn't plane well as she wasn't going fast enough. even with all props on full power, I think also she is to heavy and the battery too far forward.
So to remedy this I moved the battery back a compartment, positioning it over the 3 motors , it was a tight squeeze, but fitted just.
This sat the stern down a little and the bow up and gave the impression of planeing, she still not fast enough though. the scale speed still doesn't look right.
I'm going to have to have a rethink on this one. having said all this though she looked well in the water if i say so my self.
Roger
Set the new Surpass 3000KV 36 diam finned in-runner up in the boat, and did a tank test. Lots more power than the HV brushed 1200kv 550, but with higher idle. Re-did the reinforced silicone coupling and fitted a small collar to the inner end of the motor shaft to hold the tube from moving forward against the motor, as with the extra torque of the in-runner, it was trying to twist the tube off the shafts. Seems to be hanging in there static which is a promising sign. Once running, the load will come off which should help.
Runs full at around 4A and the battery holds at around 3.8v/ cell )alarm is set at 3.6 for safety, (as a sort of rev limiter) performance should improve a bit now. Have to wait till tomorrow as the restrictions end at 6am Sunday, (then have to hope for good weather for the test) The prop in the jet is a 28mm 3 blade racing prop which I modified to fit. Don't think I'm going to get much more out of the jet unit without it exploding😁, (it's only plastic I think, not GRP), - might have to buy a back-up and fit it with better quality bearings etc. If the jet was in the usual 'plastic' 24" toys it would be a rocket, but it's pushing 6lbs which is a challenge😀
Note the police chase outside in the background😁- always action around here, lots of hoons in cars😁
I trial fitted a thermal switch to the fans in the dummy motor, which is mounted on the 540 motor. It starts the dual fans at 30deg C and switches off at around 20deg C. Bit hard to hear in the vid (plus the YT transfer removed the middle of the vid, -there was a gap before I put the soldering iron on again,- and at the end don't know why it does this, - doesn't like the format I think😠) Anyhoo, not doing it 3 times! (clipped the end 10 secs off the previous try as well😠)
Fan switch is powered at 8v via a small voltage reg from the main battery (3s 2200 20c) and works pretty well. All fully hortomatic like😊
Finally got a good day, so raced down to the pond and threw the boat in. 2 problems, 1: battery had run down a bit with all the testing, and the new 18kg digital servo winch needed every bit of 4.8v, so functioned intermittently, meaning not much sail control, 2: jib boom needs a kicking strap to stop it 'skying' and tangling (knew it would happen but wasn't a worry). Apart from that, everything worked perfectly ( cheapo China Futaba knock -off rudder servo still worked fine on the low battery which is a bonus)
Sailed brilliantly like it did over 40 yrs ago, and as it's set will sail hands off on a reach, being nicely balanced, (even with the crappy jib,- which I had to make,- well actually my mother made for me,- back in 1980 after the original was stolen by a kid at the beach, while my back was turned😠) Funnily enough it was made on the same Bernina I used to sew (horrendously) the jib foot after trimming it for the boom a few days ago.
A few more things to improve and add, but pleased to have it back on the water. Another crap video, -seems to get blurry once it's been through the movie editor and You tube ) One day santa might bring me a Gopro, ("yeah right"!)
Looks like a perfect day. I find sailing very relaxing and quiet, with no engine/motor noise. Can be quite challenging though, especially when you need to bring it back in to the dock.
Hi the Graupner yachts are the best, I have a Gracia and she sails very nicely and such a pleasure to watch. She had a small change last year to the servos and works for ever on a 4 AA cell pack 2300mAh. I have a little less sail area and have a sail servo the same size as a standard servo and this copes OK.
regards Roy
Managed to connect up the motor once all the drive bearings were in.. first video is with a 7.2v battery (which was actually nearly flat!) and then in the second video with a fully charged 11.1v lipo!
Might get the Atlantic RIB to plane yet..
My yellow boat was a couple of seconds in front of the action so didn’t get involved. First time for a long time we have had 3 of the same boat on the lake. So 10 mins of ‘competitive’ fun. And we didn’t lose any cameras off boatswhich sometimes happens. 😁 Yeah pity about the shows... always looked forwards to them. 😔 SMBC has stopped sailing now till we see how Govt guidelines change, so time to do some repairs etc. Will post some video of my RAF Firefloat- you haven’t seen that. It is 99% finished. 😉
Made a few adjustments, including alloy braces for the motor pylon (was a bit flexible and I think it was twisting slightly under power. Rudder linkages still need tightening up (crappy HK clevises,-probably will fit ball links) but it was a bit better this time (apart from a high speed excursion into the rushes at the end,-no damage, got in the shadow and brain couldn't calculate time, angle and distance😁) Battery was down to 7.5v/cell after all this (4000mAh 3s) so not a bad run time. Only had full throttle for about 3 secs total, -too hairy!😁 Put in expo and dual rates but that didn't do much (too much rudder slop to be accurate). Back to the mod shop.
Hi JB - the ones we have are at the most 2mm - cut one on the laser last week for a stencil for beehives - was not talking about the the thick nylon type boards ,
British Power Boat Co. Type Two 63' HSL - ASRL 131
This 'Whaleback' boat is a 1/16th scale Air Sea Rescue Launch that was built by a friend of mine Graham. It is powered by a Turnigy brushless motor and Lipo Battery
I thought it the most appropriate music for this RAF boat at speed. I too loved that film from the first time my Mum took me to see it at the Savoy cinema in Colombo, Ceylon (Sri Lanka) when it was first released in 1964.
Thanks for your input.
Its starting to make sense now.
I bit the bullitt and bought a lipo battery and charger. I ended with a spectrum smart 2200mhz,3s, 11.1v,100c.i had a choice of a 30c but thought it may not be man enough for 3 motors so looked at the 50c, but was out of stock, so i ended with the 100c it was the same price as the 50c anyway. The charger was a spectrum smart type to. This monitors the battery and hopefully does everything automatically.
Once again thanks for your help and encouragement
Roger
You are learning well! A similar road to the one I travelled a couple of years ago.
Hard to see the fuse block on my Brave now, but here is one am assembling for my next project. Got my fuse blocks off Banggood, they offer both 4 and 6 fuse ones.
Used a 6 on the Brave as wanted a fuse per motor, currently using 30 A capacity. Should protect the 50 A ESCs. Bigger fuses and even re-settable ones can be fitted into the block if warranted.
The home made buss bar and battery connector are visible.
Hope this helps.
Rowen
100C should be more that adequate, mine is 30C. You should be able to drive a welder with it too!