“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Started by Rogal118
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#16

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Hi Rogal, I'm glad the images were helpful to you.
Don't worry too much about the text, it doesn't matter if you don't translate it.
I'll send you more images as soon as I can.
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#15

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Thankyou HermanK, for the info you have sent also. The actual Model Boat magazine originally released in August 2005. Was still available, i have ordered an original print and it will be delivered this week.So i will have my copy to read in full size, as and when required. Thankyou once again for your help, without it i would not have known about this magazine artical.
Roger
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#14

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Thankyou for the information Alessandro
SPQR. Very good, i cant read italian but the photos and drawings are very discriptive.these will help alot in the coming days as i intend to make the sails ready for rigging "Karoline".Thankyou once again.
Roger
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#13

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Hi Rogal, here are some systems for tying sails to masts. I hope you find them useful, I will send you more if you need them again.
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#12

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

ROGAL 118
my friend is restauring this boat and has the sailplan. I will sent you a pm so you have my email. Can you sent me your adress details so i can sent a copy of the plan
regards
herman
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#11

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Ciao Rogal.

Keep in mind that what I have described are only the fastenings of the sail to the mast, the boom and the gaff but they have not released to the real movement.
In an RC boat you can follow various methods to control the gaff sail.
I know three: the one I used (with a single sheet directly wrapped around the reel of the winch), the one RossM used of the double reel with two sheets (brilliant, very original, but for me a bit too complex in fact I discarded them at the time) and the most common one of the closed ring, a single sheet but not wrapped directly around the winch but attached to a rope that moves closed on itself thanks to the winch.

In any case they all move the boom and the sheets are attached to it.
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#10

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Good afternoon AlessandroSPQR, thank you for the drawings they are very helpful in understanding the mechanics of the rigging etc. any info is most appreciated as this is all new to me, except for my building the IngaIV. This vessel seams a little simpler as only the mainsail boom is connected to the servo cord. So hopefully once I have an idea how the rigging works I can set about cutting and sewing the sails, with the correct fittings attached.
Roger
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#9

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

The photo I posted in the previous message is just to show where the parts of the sail I mentioned are. Obviously it is not that type of boat, only the gaff sail is similar.

The photo below is a sketch made on the fly to illustrate the solution with the sail tied to the boom, fixed only on two points.
As already said in some boats the tie to the boom is done as for the gaff, that is a rope that passes through the eyelets on the side of the sail and the boom itself.
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#8

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Looking at the model it is well worth the effort in restoring. Nicely built and should look great on the water.
Roy
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#7

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Sorry I can't help you with specifics because I don't have any drawings, photos or other information about this boat.
Typically this type of sail (the "gaff sail") has three lashing sides.
The side hoisted on the mast is tied with wooden hoops, like the ones RossM did with his Bluenoose (I suggest you look at his model because he did a great job). On this side some boats use a rope that goes through eyelets instead of wooden hoops. I preferred to use hoops on my schooner for several reasons.
The side of the sail that is fixed on the gaff is usually tied with a rope that goes through the eyelets of the sail itself. There are several ways to do this type of lashing, I followed one that was consistent with that period and type of ship. If you want I can send you two or three drawings with as many lashing options.
The side of the sail hoisted on the boom can have two different ways of lashing. It can have a binding along the entire boom with a rope that passes through the eyelets (present on the edge) or only two binding points. One point is located on the corner of the sail called “Tack” and the other on the opposite side, that is, on the corner of the sail called “Clew”. I chose the latter solution.
The advantage of having rings (on a real ship) is that of being able to easily lower the gaff on the boom without removing the sails.
The advantage of having only two attachment points on the boom makes it easier (on real ships) to mess with the gaff sails (that is, collecting the sail on the mast with special running maneuvers), in fact on the Clew the binding is not fixed to the boom but is regulated by a rope and a block (pulley) that can be released.
I hope to have time to collect some drawings this evening to better illustrate what I have written.
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“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Thanks chaps for your interest and speedy replies.the vessel has been fitted out with radio gear, sail winch,rudder servo twin motors and props,plus 2x 6v, 3.6amh lead batteries.the sail winch only operates on the main mast boom, from the rear.the rudder has been extended with clear plastic to increace the area.shes all very well built and never seen the water as the sails are still in uncut sheet form, straight from the original kit.
Roger
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#5

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

That seems to be a tough find Rog! I was a bit surprised that the instructions are not on the Old Billings Boats Instructions page. Hopefully they are not like Robbe who had a penchant for taking their old (vintage) kit plans and molds and throwing everything away. I'm still pissed about that one.
But, I like a challenge, and will continue to look.
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#4

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Is it for display or do the sails need to work via RC?
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#3

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Almost certainly the mainsail will be on rings for the mast - on the real thing these would probably be laminated wooden rings, with eyelets on the sail whipped to each ring. The boom and gaff would probably have just been straight loop tied on through eyelets in the sail. As for the foresails, these are likely to have only been fixed at their three corners, it is unlikely they had direct links to the forestay. These are my best guesses based on seeing boats of this era and style.
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#2

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Rogal 118
I have asked a friend who’ s member of a static model boatclub if they have more info about this model and the sailplan. I keep you informed
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#1

“Karoline” Dutch potato/fishing boat, billings boat kit, help please.

Good evening everyone,I am currently refurbishing the above vessel, it has at some point been almost complete except for the sails fitted, it’s here my problem arises. Unfortunately I do not have any plans or instructions, that show how the rigging is fitted plus the fixing of the sails.i have only ever rigged the Inga IV before, helped with a full set of drawings and instructions. I believe the sails are held in place with rings on the mast and booms but am completely in the dark with this one, So here is my request for help, if anyone can point me in the right direction to a rigging source or who has built this vessel and can give guidance I would be most grateful..I have searched the web but not had much success.
Roger
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