Nitro methane and Methanol won't become Nitro-Glycerine. That is Nitric acid and Glycerine. Different animals altogether. The fuel mix might become sensitive possibly though.

I use meths scrumpy has a more important function

Yes a pint of scrumpy will clean anything.

They sell gallons of the stuff in the Village Tavern here in the West Country

Doug, you have become a furtive lurker, don't confuse your self please. LOL

Mark

Hi Mark,
I've taken to wearing a black suit and dark glasses all the time just to confuse 'em 😉

Hi Haverlock, I already got some👍😉 From a German Magic Shop.
I have it in the 'Flash Paper' form so I can wad it for gun barrels.
And I still have the glow plugs from my heli and Zaunkönig days. 😉
Cheers Doug 😎

Doug, if you spot a couple of big guys wearing crombies, dont run, they shoot first then apologize LOL

if you want a convincing bang and a cloud of smoke have a look at magician's flash powder. A glow plug will ignite it !

http://www.tvandfilmsupplies.co.uk/ecommerce/search/pyro/powders/

Hi Mark, Thanks for your concern 👍 but don't worry, as I said that was only tongue in cheek musing / fantasising, although ..... 😉
Black powder for depth charge throwers is my limit at the moment

RE PS: that was also my concern 🤔 considering all the monitoring for 'keywords' that goes on these days.
Cheers (still on the loose) Doug 😎

Hi Doug, Going bang was all about my worry. More bang for your bucks???? would hate to loose you for the forum just to see you disappearing though the hole were your roof used to be!!!!

PS, wonder if any of the security services have clocked our mixture discussion's??? might be a stern knock on the door soon!!!

Regards
Mark. (Free for now!!!!)

never tried one but these are touted as a replacement for a jetex 50 http://www.samsmodels.com/products/hardware/electric-flight-ducted-fan-2

Yes Doug we will get slapped wrists.Good point about reloading and I' ve got a domed 50b but I left it dirty after the last run .Combined with a bit of damp and the hole has corroded away round half the circumference.I'll try that Free Flight supplies shop. Tried getting onto Jetex forum but had to send E mail asking how. No form evident on site . With apologies to the mods for the Hi -Jack . if you need to say more go on chit chat or something. Cheers John Have a few forXXX me 👍

Hi John,
there seems to be a market for the 'one way' cardboard Rapiers motors, so why not for a reloadable Jetex?
Yep, I remember my Hunter gliding like a brick as well 😡
For the glider I only had the 50s, but the US version with the domed exhaust. Seemed to concentrate the thrust.
You may be right about meeting 😉 a few Triple Xs or similar would probably also get demolished in the process!
Re Ether, probably from the Apotheke (Chemist) not the DIY shop. But I have no need for it, or do I?
Think we'll get told off for hijacking this thread!!🤔
Cheers Doug 😎

Hi Mark, that was exactly the point! 😁
What's the use of a Harpoon without a bang!?😉
My fuel has gone purple as well 🤔 Nearly the same as meths!
Cheers Doug 😎

RN. Dear god dont start mixing your glow fuel and Glycerine, thats Nitroglycerine, highly unstable, even to bump it could send you to your maker!!!! PS, had some old 50% nitro glow fuel in the shed for about 2 years, it had turned purple, almost pure nitro. Very slowly and gently added Methanol until it turned pale yellow again. Very dodgy
Mark

Aye there's the rub Doug.Wilmot and Mansour kept the exact fuel formula secret I believe . However it should be easy to find it with modern science techniques. But after the initial rush of nostalgia purchases from the likes of us would there be a market for them.I did the all sheet Hunter and painted it grey and put roundels and letter transfers on it. Did fly but had a glide like a landing swan.A semi controlled crash would be a good description of it. Which one did you put on 2 Mtr span gliders.100/ Scorpion I know one thing Doug .You and I should never meet 'cause we would spend all out time nattering. I think😁👍 Regards John .P.S. Can you get ether there from where you can get the meths ?

The engine isn't the problem - the fuel IS 🤔
I've still got my Jetex 50B the US version Dad brought back in '58.
But no pellets 😭

Must have been the 262!
I just discovered that Vintage Model Company does all these old jet powered kits now!
Laser cut of course, including my old KK Hawker Hunter. 👍

sorry, he got his spare parts from Free flight supplies ,seemingly you can get enough spare parts to build a near complete engine they also had Rapier model engines Marky

been away for the weekend and just saw this and was going to suggest jetex.org when Doug beat me to it ,my brother got spare parts from them for a jet engined M.E some number or another .Cheers Marky👍

Well, DID you ever??
Jetex ain't quite dead yet 😊
http://jetex.org/

Thinks .... maybe a Harpoon refit for my T45 😉😉
Now then let me see .. a little of my old nitro glow fuel .. some glycerine from the kitchen perhaps ? Micro GPS RX .. Hmmmmmm! 😉

So do I. I used to hang 'em underneath home made 2m wingspan balsa gliders for Rocket Assisted Starts! 😁
Seem to dimly remember a KeilKraft Quikbuild Hawker Hunter as well 😉
Lovely plane!

I wish someone would do Jetex again I loved them. Specially on little flat plate jet boats I used to make with balsa sheet. Real skimmers they were .👍 Yes Doug I remember them and a bigger posher version that sat in the hearth or in the actual fireplace with a sack stuffed up the flue to stop heat losses up the chimney. A bowl fire I think they were called and I don't think they were pumped up

Pop Pop boats 😲 are called Knatter Boot over here. I've still got one.
There was a brief resurrection of them here a few years ago, all made of old drink tins, mine is the classic red Coke tin. Would have pleased the submarine 'Tinman' on here 😉
Came with solid fuel pellets which reminded me of the old Jetex rocket pellets. Dangerous days but fun, cheers Doug 😎
PS Back in those good ol' days of yore, I remember the family using a Tilley Lamp run on meths to warm up the bathroom. Anyone remember those? Looked like a 50cm SAT TV dish with a miniature crab basket in the middle, which started to glow when you pumped it up! 😲

Nice one Doug. Can you get Ether there as well. Pop Pop boats Dave ! Blimey that takes me back I had a friend whose older brother brought some back from Germany when I was a kid. He blew one up trying Lighter fuel in it.Frightened the life out of Elaine .She was the friend BTW.👍😁

Hope its OK to snif it as I used to have a pop pop boat in a cut in half lorry tyre and used lots of it to keep my boat popping. Your right about keeping it clear of flames. But hey I am surviving so far so perhaps no need to worry now. Not sure about the rest of me though!

Quite correct OT 👍
95% Ethyl alcohol (Ethanol), 5% Methyl alcohol (Methanol)!
Optionally with a splash of gentian violet to taste 😡
NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.🤐
Over here they call it Brennspiritus! Just discovered I can get at the local DIY warehouses 😊

Yes you are right. it becomes "Methylated"👍 with the addition of #methanol. That's why you can't drink it.

Meths is ethyl NOT methyl that's why you can buy it from supermarkets etc. without a whole load of safety warnings! Methyl alcohol is VERY VERY toxic and the safety equipment required ( by the book) includes face shields rubber aprons and respirators! The meths you can buy easily is not anything like as toxic and can be used with little risk ( just keep clear of naked flames and DO NOT DRINK IT)

Was there supposed to be a link in my last post? I can't remember my last post 🤔 Yes there was supposed to be.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=methylated+spirits&oq=Methyl&aqs=chrome.4.69i57j69i60l2j0l3.10394j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

try this . Sorry 😋👍

I bought the tin of Coleman's fuel for my camping stove(Coleman did camping stoves once, not sure if they still do). Has been on my shelf for quite a few years now so no wonder the UN number is out of date.
Onetenor, was there supposed to be a link in your last post?

Chris

As a footnote the Meths I use is usually Bartoline brand This page of contacts is full of info about a number of "SPIRITS" Click on and see iF ANY use to you.👍 Travis Perkins and other trade suppliers stock it in 500 ml, Ltr and up to 5Ltr sizes I'm told🤓

Odd!? I always thought Colemans was that lovely sharp yellow mustard!
Things have changed since I moved to Germany 😉
Don't fancy lighter fuel on my sausages 😲 or is that the new barbecue method these days??

Octman I think that the Coleman's is lighter petrol. Not certain though. Does it smell like it? if the purple meth is used the colour won't be noticed

Hi Chris
I have used iso Propyl Alcohol as a solvent for many years and also to clean electrical boards and contacts. You need the industrial strength 99.9% as the rubbing alcohol only has 70% IPA.
It will thin most resins and evaporate leaving little residue, so will have little effect on what you are intending. it's freely available as HMCR are not concerned that it will be used in place of Alcohol, which carries duty.
We as individuals cannot easily buy denatured alcohol in the UK and meths contains other additives which are unwanted for your purpose.
Cheers
Dave

Nope, 'fraid not! it's a UN Dangerous Goods number!😲
No longer in use apparently!?
Doug 😎

My tin of Coleman's fuel says it is petroleum spirit UN1271, whatever that is. Unleaded I assume.

Chris

Coleman stoves can use unleaded petrol.🤓

Meth Spirit is available on line

thats right Colin, , works great as a solvent. if any steamers are reading, When the Coleman stuff burns it smells and gives of less heat that DNA from the True Value hardware store.
Have fun and get wet! 😁 Mark.

Could it be the same fuel used for Coleman camping cookers, if so it is available in UK camping supplies shops. Cheers Colin.

Here in Canada we are very happy that DNA is still available in the USA. it's not available here but fortunately a trip across the border solves that problem.
Roy

Hi, Over here in the US, I use DNA clear no colour to fire up my steam engines it is sold as fuel for camping stoves, I buy it by the gallon at hardware stores, is that possible over there?, I know you guy's are VERY over regulated but it may be worth a look at?.
.MF. ExPat from Manchester (I used to love the smell of meths used in my steam engine)👍👍

Gentlemen

DO please remenber that DA or Meths is Toxic.. WEAR GLOVES

I do a bit of French Polishing and I use Meths from B&Q or the local hardware shop.

I have seen the undyed available from Clock material suppliers but can't remember which ones. There's one in Bury I seem to remember that they mat stock it... Google it

G L O V E S....... don't forget. it's absorbed through the skin

Shucks 🤔 and I was looking forward to a whole range of lilac to Deep Purple boats! 😉

I used "purple meths", for making my epoxy runnier, and I can tell you, that it works perfectly and , no, it doesn't make any difference in colour to the finished layers.

If you drink it does it turn you in to a Purple People Eater 😲😉

I had a reply from HMRC stating that a change in the regs a few years ago allowed the production of meths without the purple dye. This is apparently CDA - Completely Denatured Alcohol. I contacted Bonneymans, the only UK supplier of this type of stuff that I can find, and they said that they had never heard of it, even after I had advised them of the HMRC advice.
I replied to HMRC, as they had asked where/who I had been advised to use DNA, and I also told them of the lack of a supplier of CDA.
Their reply was that they would not provide me with authority to buy DNA because I only needed a small amount, and CDA was adequate for my purpose. My interpretation of the rules was that small users, such as myself, did not need the authority anyway, but Bonneyman's seem to want this in writing.
So in the end it looks like I will have to use purple meths.
Oh dear.

Chris

yes "M" missing Doug