Picked up his kit same place as I did - fellow who made them was not intending to sell them - reluctant in fact . Mine is his 3rd attempt I believe - cant check now as he is no longer with us . Think his wife persuaded him to sell them. He was experimenting with molding hulls etc. Think the last one was the one he used for himself. We do some forming with 2mm Perspex - failure rate is about 10% no matter how careful you are so understand why he made a few. The hull is about 2 mm finished size - the superstructure a lot thinner and styrene - not certain but think the hull is ABS. Very few Breede kits around - not sure you can even get a hull anymore - and the plans are no longer available from RNLI.

Hi Peter,
Phil seems to have a lot on his plate, what with his theatre work and blogging an' all!
Don't think he made any attempt to produce anything commercially.
Tried to find a mention in his blogs of where he got his Brede kit. Unsuccessfully☹️
Good luck with yours 🤞
Cheers, Doug 😎

Hi Doug,
dug out the Brede kit - been packed away since 2009 - almost identical to the Kingston one other than the rails which have to be retro fitted. The moulding is not the best but its a very sturdy hull and easily sorted - was never intended as a commercial product - he only made 5 or 6 and was a reluctant seller.
Tried contacting Mr Parker - so far no response. Still hoping.........

We're all in the same boat shipmate 👍
😎

Cheers Doug, you are to kind Ian

No sweat Ian👍
Wasn't so hard to fix😉
Doug

Sorry about the duff link guys, good old copy and paste accuracy again Ian

Hi Red,
Phil is still around😉 He apparently built the Brede around 2009.
Seems to be a busy lad!
http://philsworkbench.blogspot.com/search/label/Brede%20Lifeboat

Cheers, Doug 😎

Hi Red,
Firefox couldn't understand it either☹️ Bad link report attached.
Delete the 'r' at the beginning and it works👍
https://lifeboatmagazinearchive.rnli.org/volume/47/472/the-brede-prototype-of-a-new-lifeboat-based-on-the-lochin-33?searchterm=Brede+Class+12&page=1ede.

Cheers, Doug 😉
PS open the pdf version, it's got lotsa pics and other interesting stories.

Hi Ian - tried link - my server says no no. Pity - getting interesting.

Hi South Africa How goes it with you.

Another interesting link that gives much more detail on the https://lifeboatmagazinearchive.rnli.org/volume/47/472/the-brede-prototype-of-a-new-lifeboat-based-on-the-lochin-33?searchterm=Brede+Class+12&page=1ede.
My earlier post regarding incidents should not be attributed to the Brede, it is about her displacement predecessors however the Brede was only ever classed as an Intermediate lifeboat as opposed to an All Weather Lifeboat. Although currently I cannot find the document that says so I to believe there were concerns about hull stresses under extreme conditions. For you guys that have a big ocean at your beach we in the UK have a real varied mix of conditions, many of which have very shoal ground which causes some extremely steep short seas, to the point that if you are not careful you can ground the forefoot in the bottom of a trough if you fall off the top of a big shot wave. It is not all nice big smooth rollers for sure. I write this with the experience of taking RIB's out when it is a bit bumpy, and have riden a Force 12 off Norway in a 11000 tonne ferry, nothing like being inshore to get some awkward bumps. So I can understand the RNLi pulling the Brede early, plus you need to read up on what they had coming on line at that time too.

Happy Modelling guys & gals, Ian

Interesting that the Breede's had a very short life with RNLI and were mostly sold to the NSRI here in SA after +- 5 years. Read somewhere that RNLI had some questions about the structural strength of the hulls in very bad weather. Get that here without a doubt as the SA Navy could testify having found the Lursen type FPB's unsuitable for the sea conditions here around the Cape of Storms (aka Cape of Good Hope !) - they have laid up all the "Minister" class boats.
Have not heard of any real incidents or disasters with the NSRI Breede's however.
The NSRI is now replacing the Breede's with French ORC's for what seems an enormous sum - so it will take quite a few years to do so. Although the first few will be built in France believe that the rest will be built here in SA under licence.
I have a semi kit of a Breede - bought from a fellow modeller whose original was run over by a full size boat - emerged the other side as if nothing had occurred........very well built model and highly detailed
There is also an article in the MB special edition World of Model Boating by Phil Parker - he bought a Breede kit from the same source but gave up and built an entirely new version. Sorry I cannot remember the sellers name - too long ago - saw that he passed away several years later.

Hi Pleased my ramblings have beeb useful, sharing is what this is about Happy modelling Ian

Thank you for the information, about the Brede Class Life Boat, it is one class I had not considered, and from the article it does look very like the hulls lines like the look of the Pilot boat and might try and use the Hull for something like that, once again thank you for your interest in my dilemma. Graham

Hi again. Seek and ye shall find, Take a look at the attached web page and I feel that all will become clear as to the evolution of the real boat

https://www.lifeboatsonline.com/RNLIBrede.html

Ian

Hi redpmg. Why indeed would this occur? Well we have to go back a tad in the "Real World" of shipping and the changing world. The type of casualty vessels the RNLI were seeing was changing and therefore the RNLI boats needed to change. There had been a number of serious fatal incidents which claimed the lives of many RNLI Crew Members, May They Rest In Peace. There was a need for faster boats, traditionally the RNLI beats had been displacement 8 knot vessels. The RNLI produced a plan to raise the boat speeds, in two steps, firstly to 15/18 Knots and then to 25 Knots All would be self righting.
So a plan is great, but how do you expedite it? Initially the hunt was for what is out there already. One boat was tried, a USCG 44 foot twin screw diesel Cutter. This morphed into the RNLB 44Ft Waveney which gave great service. Another was the Brede which is based on the Lochin Commercial Fishing Boat Hull that was already in production. Now if I remember correctly they added some stiffening and other bits and bats and you then had a Brede Hull.
So I guess the short answer is in the real world, or one to one scale, the Lochin came first and the RNLI borrowed it. Therefore the Kingston hull is probably a Brede. but with not a great amount of imagination you have a Lochin Commercial Fishing Boat, cheers, Ian

Hi Ian - feel its unlikely to be a Lochin hull surely. Why would a commercial hull producer make one when the Breede is the same hull anyway and better known? Have pictures of the Kingston Mouldings hull in my files - looks to be the same - same size - same colour even.
Thanks for the info though- good to learn something new.

Yes, I agree it could be a hull for a Brede Class RNLI Lifeboat, Equally it could be a Lochin Marine hull of Rye , Sussex, UK.
The base reason being the RNLI used a modified Lochin hull for the Brede.
Take a look at this Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brede-class_lifeboat
Cheers Ian

Sure looks like one.

Think its found at last - a Breede lifeboat hull - made by Kingston Mouldings is most likely. Same size - rather blunt bow, rails under hull etc

Models by Design made a pilot boat 42 , the hull is very similar - but its 42' at 1/12 scale not 31". Seem to be far less hulls on their site last time I checked about a year ago.

Sport fisherman such as Rybovich in Florida.

Martin , "Maybe it is for this? LOL." dont think it quite fits the bill.................

Been reading through old magazines being in enforced inactivity, and in one picture from 2015 November MB there appears to be a similar hull in lighter blue on the Models By Design stand , cant see the stern as its standing upside down upright behind other hulls, but it seems to have the keel and the rails in the right place. Know they used to make a large range of hulls - perhaps one of theirs ?

Or something like this.

Hi Red,
Maybe it is for this? LOL.

Having had a good look at the lifeboats - does not seem to be one - nor does the Police boat . Quite a mystery - may well be a one off cabin cruiser like one of these two . (Neither quite fit the bill)

hi there
How's about a police launch or a pilot boat?

if you google some photographs of the Southampton police boat - I believe the hull may be similar to this.

I tend to think it isnt a lifeboat as lifeboats generally have a tunnel hull where the props are - to give them some protection - as has been mentioned apart from the new lifeboats which are waterjet.

I think its definitely some form of workboat .

john

Could it be meant to have two props ? - Lifeboats usually have some prop protection and as the large keel extends a long way back it seems as if the rudder would have to hang outboard with a single prop which Lifeboats would not surely do. The triangular chine seems unusual though.

Thought that my self but it’s only a single prop most newer lifeboats have twin props.

Looks like a lifeboat of some sort . Not an expert on those but the curvature at deck level looks vaguely familiar. A Severn or a slightly earlier Boat? Perhaps a Breede?