Hi Nerys, Noswaith dda 😉
"We are drifting too far from the subject of this thread. My fault, I expect."
No fault at all Nerys 👍😉
That's the way it goes when like minded folks start chatting 😀
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The Build Blog is a history of someone's personal creative effort and can be printed as a memento of the saga.
Thus, if posts wander off the subject of the said build blog without contributing positively to the object of the Blog, e.g drifting off into classic car restoration, types of southern hemisphere beers etc etc (yes we've had it all and much more) I will step in and curtail it and where necessary or (esp if requested to by the Blogger) delete the off Blog posts.
Recently Stephen has created a tool which should enable moderators to move posts to more relevant threads. Haven't tested it yet but I will if driven to! 🤔

Sooooo,
Carry on, steady as you go Admiral Nerys 👍😉
Cheers, Doug 😎

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Hi Ted
Near top of your page on this site you will see Messages, just click there. Should say something such as 1/4
Gerrit

Hi gerritv, sorry but I am new to this game. will you expand on PM's for the un educated. regds Ted.

Ted, check your PM's, you have a message.

Gerrit

I agree Doug from the earliest of times, man has wanted to cross water and how he would do it depended on what materials were available to him. In an area where there were small trees and bushes and skins available from the last trip to the butchers, man would make a framework of branches and then cover it with skins. The size would depend on the size of the branches and the size of the animal skins. If he lived in an area of large trees and assuming he had a prehistoric chain saw to cut one down, he would either float away on a log, tie some logs together to make a raft (Kon Tiki) or chop out with flint axes or burn out with fire, the inside of a log to make a dug out canoe. And from those basic sources developed a myriad of boats and ships and taking Doug's reference to iron trees even the latest Aircraft carrier or canal blocking container ship.

We are drifting too far from the subject of this thread. My fault, I expect.

Cheers, Nerys

I will find the scans of photos taken while my dad was building this one. Should have an album in the next week.

Gerrit

Hi Nerys,
"when you think about it, they were the among the first boats built and the same method of construction is used today, a skin covering a framework."

To paraphrase your comment (re your LST) about plastic ships / boats-
'I guess if God had meant for us to build steel ships he would have given us huge steel trees and the machinery to hollow them out!' 😁

OK OK. ... and Dougal said,
'Time for bed!' 😠
G'night All 😴💤💤

Gut gemacht Willem 👍
Auf der Seite fand ich auch Pläne für den Colossus-Klasse Flugzeugträger Karel Doorman.
Eines meiner Lieblingsschiffe, weil ich einmal auf dem brasilianischen Colossus-Träger Minas Gerais gearbeitet habe.😉
Viele Grüße aus München, Doug 😎

Hi Gerritv, This looks from the pictures a very nicely built boat. both ends look beautifully 'Botterish', I would like to see pictures of the whole boat. Perhaps when you have her finished you would let us see some and I very much look forward to that.

Cheers, Nerys

There were, or are, a number of different variations on the curragh, although much the same as regards size, construction methods varied and some were made completely of wood, where the majority are a wooden framework covered in canvas. The wood was often willow or similar woods bent to shape by soaking. The curraghs of Ireland are of course closely related to the coracle of Wales and Scotland, but were of course much bigger . This was principally because the curragh is used in the sea, whilst the coracle is a river craft.The curragh would carry about three or four people, usually rowed, whereas the coracle was mainly a single handed boat controlled by a paddle, though a couple of types could carry two. Some curraghs carried sails and the picture of the St Brendan repro in Ron's post shows very well what the sails were like Coracles were also made mainly with bent , often split, willow branches, but sometimes with sawn wood. My Teifi coracle has woven willow for it's gunwhale and sawn split willow for it's frames, whereas my Scottish Spey coracle has complete willow branches in various thicknesses for every part of it's frame. The Teifi is covered in painted canvas whereas the Spey was covered in a cow skin when I first had it, about forty five years ago. The cow skin had the furry side in and the tail as a painter. Eventually the skin rotted and I replaced it with canvas.
The study of primitive boats like this is well worth it, because, when you think about it, they were the among the first boats built and the same method of construction is used today, a skin covering a framework.

Cheers, Nerys

Yes it's a curagh I think it's 3 different areas from I was sorting out the drawings I have a few weeks ago and come across them there,
They are just line drawings but there is a website to look at

The good news is that you can still sail on them, once tourism opens up again. There is a very active group keeping these ships afloat.
The last model my dad was building is a botter. Built out of teak. Mostly complete, he was doing the sails and rigging when he had a stroke. He built many models, starting in 1936 or so until 1983.
I really need to spend a week or so to finish the model, too many hobbies competing for my time at present.
Gerrit

Thanks Gerritv that seems a very good site. I have now ordered two sets of plans from Holland and hope they are on there way. I didn't think that I may need them translated however I have one of these magic things on my magic phone that may do the job?? The need to build what I now know as a Dutch Botter started because we visited Holland to see the Tulips and also did a local museum and saw some lovely models and thought i should have a go at that. I must say that since joining this site i have had some very good people responding.

The site is part of the Dutch Model Builders Association (https://modelbouwers.nl/). Members get 25% off on drawings.
My dad as a member used to get the magazines, for several decades (Sadly I no longer have them nor him )

I can translate if you need more info.

Gerrit

Ron, don't forget we are dealing with a commercial organisation. I'm afraid despite my limited knowledge of Dutch, I'm pretty sure, it is just a full set of plans. Some of them seem quite reasonable, a ZuiderZee botter at 20 euros, is cheap against the Cutty Sark at 110 euros, but think how much more work there is in Cutty Sark. If you click on the individual listing, it shows small pics of what plans you actually receive. I think some are a bit pricey for just a plan, but I'm judging on prices of plans in the UK. Yes, you did a lot of work for David, I hope he appreciates how much.

Cheers, Nerys

https://www.modelbouwtekeningen.nl/nvm-1005023-tjalk.html

Are you saying Neyrs, you only get a set of plans? No fittings, or other materials?

€38 = $58 CDN just for a set of plans ? Whoa! I did for free and sent to David (Wells Boi) remember.

Hi Ron, It is only plans being offered on that list. With my limited Dutch, I can understand that it is a full set of plans, which they list, and give the scale and LOA. They are mainly 1/40 and 1/20 scale. There's more that I do not understand.

cheers, Nerys

Hi Ron, yes that's a curragh, but a bit modified. They don't usually have those short decks. I believe it is a photo of one that was built some years ago to try to prove that the voyage of St Brendan in 500 and something AD would have been possible. He was reputed to have sailed with a crew of monks all around the Northern Atlantic from Iceland to the Azores. There was a book written about the modern voyage by Tim Severin and made very interesting reading. I can't remember much about it , it was a good few years ago, and I can't find my copy to remind me.

Cheers, Nerys
Later, I've ordered a copy of the book so may have more to say later.

Yes, I would like to know what you get in a kit? Not knowing Dutch, I have copy and paste into. Translate software.

Is this a curragh?

I have plans for churas (the Irish fishing boats) ea h one was built to the style of the area it was being built, I think I have difere t styles
Mick

Hi Ted
It feels good that I could help you.
Hope that the plans give what they promise.
Willem

Hi

pushed the wrong button 😔

😁They are on their way so hope to get them soon..best regards

Having had time to look through the list of plans Willem put us onto a day or to ago, I really do think it is a remarkable collection, such a wide selection, from sailing dinghies to tea clippers, and you can't get more variety than that. An excellent selection of traditional Dutch craft, barges, fishing boats and work boats. Chinese junks and other Asian craft. Ancient Egyptian, schooners, galleons, modern yachts and some experimental ones too, the list goes on. Please, Ted, when you receive the plans you have ordered, let us know what they are like and of course, keep us informed throughout your build. I'm sure I'll be ordering a plan before too long.

Cheers, Nerys

"think of the long alliance between Spain and the Netherlands."
Didn't help 'em much in 1588 tho did it! 😉

Sorry to hear you're battling with your pills! Can sympathise.
It took a year or so to find a tolerable combination of my blood pressure pills when the whole schemozzle started 12 years ago 🤔

Pleased to hear that the Camper (Command Centre / NAAFI Van) is coming on.
More power to Alice's toolbox 👍
Alles gute, Doug 😎

That's understandable Doug, think of the long alliance between Spain and the Netherlands.

We are still waiting for a reasonably warm day to take the LST outside for spraying, and that sort of thing doesn't happen very often at this time of the year around these parts.

I've been doing a little on the barge, but, I'm afraid I'm having a 'not too well' period. The trouble is, if I take the umpteen tablets specified each morning, I feel sick all day, if I don't take them I feel reasonably well. Also, when I have dialysis, more often than not, after a couple of hours I just feel really ill and that lasts for getting on twenty four hours. I'm trying to get some sense out of the hospital pharmacist and the consultant, but you know what they say about blood and stones. They keep promising, but nothing happens.

Alice is working on the camper, and I must say, she is making a lovely job. We decided to take out one bed and put in a similar size settee. We wanted one similar to one we have in the house as we know how comfortable it is, found one on an online site, collected it yesterday and she's working on that at the moment. Has just reported that she is pleased with the way it's coming along. After that it's mainly electrical work to do.

Cheers, Nerys

"Obvious isn't it, if you want plans of Dutch boats you go to the Netherlands to find them. "
Natch Nerys, that's why you went to Spain to get your info about Dutch boats! 🙄
😁😂 Aw shucks, slapped wrist yet again 😔🤔😭
But I sincerely hope you find something on that Dutch site that takes your fancy 👍
How's the LST? Or are you back to argy-Barging ?
All the best, to Alice too 😊
Cheers, Doug 😎

Thank you wwfiets just the job!!!

Thank you all who responded to my request I have now ordered some plans so will have a build going soon ( I hope ) Keep me working in these stay in times.

Obvious isn't it, if you want plans of Dutch boats you go to the Netherlands to find them. Thank you Willem for bringing this glorious collection of plans to our attention. I haven't had time to study them all yet, but they are certainly worth a concentrated period of study. One I did notice, the sailing clog might be a good fun project. Illness has been making me wonder if I will build any more boats after the present, slow moving, project, but there might very well be something here to tempt me.

Cheers, Nerys

Hi Ted,

have a look at this site : https://www.modelbouwtekeningen.nl/schepen/zeilschepen/
It is in Dutch, but they have some nice plans for sale.

Willem

Hi Ted
I think you will find it quite difficult to find plans or kits of Dutch Barges. Can't understand why, they are very attractive craft, often seen in this country. I think Billings did a kit of a small schouw a while ago. I built a yacht schouw to more or less my own design a few months ago, Pictures are on the website in my Harbour. Don't ask me for a plan, I built her from pictures in a couple of Dutch books I bought in Spain forty or more years ago. The books are called 'Ronde en Platbodem Jachten' and 'Plezerig Varen' These books are profusely illustrated with every variety of Dutch Barge. My advice to you is to look for pictures and if you wander around the marinas you'll probably find a few to photograph. Dutch barges are quite simple shapes and in my opinion, not difficult to build from pictures. Let's face it, like all working boats, most of them were built by eye originally.

How about building some of the Irish traditional boats, there was an article on one in 'Model Boat' a few months ago?

Cheers, Nerys

Ah thanks Doug, forgot to look at his profile 😝

Bill

Hi Ted,
I can't personally help you with the info you're looking for,
but maybe I can give you some tips on how to get what you want 😉
I'm no expert on Dutch sailing boats (or anyone else's!🙄) but I do know from following Blogs here on the site that there are many many types and variations and several fans and builders on this site.
So maybe you can narrow down your research and greatly increase the chances of getting some specific answers from our very knowledgable members by specifying the particular type of boat and era that you are looking for.
Good luck, and Welcome aboard 😀
Cheers, Doug 😎

Ted's in Tralee on the Atlantic coast Bill, 'the other side' from you 🤔
😎

Hi Ted,

Welcome to the site, the guys here are very friendly and helpful, Nerys is the go to person to speak to for these vessels, she has a lifetime of working and building these types of craft.
If you have a root about on the site, you'll find a wealth of information which might help you.
Where are you in Ireland ? I'm in Dundalk

Bill