Deck is now on and trimmed and chine spray rails and gunwale rubbing strip are on. Will be making the toe rails next and a few tweaks here and there, and inside edge of deck trimming to balsa facings (to be fixed) before undercoating. Cabin is a work in progress and still to be 'fitted'to deck ( whole sandpaper sheets strapped down tight to deck, and cabin placed on top and sanded fore and aft till a good fit) Cabin will fit over an internal coaming/upstand to keep water out.
Spray rails and rubbing strip are hard balsa toughened with cyno (toe rails will be the same) Glue for decks was West System 105 resin with 404 powder additive (magic stuff, most widely used epoxy for full sized boats in NZ.)
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Deck is now on and trimmed and chine spray rails and gunwale rubbing strip are on. Will be making the toe rails next and a few tweaks here and there, and inside edge of deck trimming to balsa facings (to be fixed) before undercoating. Cabin is a work in progress and still to be 'fitted'to deck ( whole sandpaper sheets strapped down tight to deck, and cabin placed on top and sanded fore and aft till a good fit) Cabin will fit over an internal coaming/upstand to keep water out.
Spray rails and rubbing strip are hard balsa toughened with cyno (toe rails will be the same) Glue for decks was West System 105 resin with 404 powder additive (magic stuff, most widely used epoxy for full sized boats in NZ.)
Bit more progress, bit slow as I had to have a change and 3/4 finish some 1/2 finished jobs on the house). I've fitted the toe rails, glued on the cabin roofs, made the floors, (both 2pc so as to be easy to remove to get at the bilges,) made the shaft support blocks, milled out the shaft slots and slotted the hull to match, ( still have to epoxy blocks in when happy with shaft angles ), made the motor mount plate and trimmed the inside edge excess off the deck.
Still have to make the rear cockpit floor and rear cabin /door panel but I'll wait till I've fitted the motors, as I have to see where the engine boxes end up, (they will probably end up being in the correct place with the motors partly inside the cabin but if I'm clever enough it won't be noticed.
The odd pic out is of some of the tools we use to make our models and don't even think about. I know most of us have our special home made 'tools' for different little jobs (ie sandpaper glued to flat or shaped blocks etc) but I thought for anyone just starting, it might give them an idea of what they could need to make it easier to build a model.
Obviously there are fillers, paints, brushes, planes, drills etc (couldn't fit my mill on the table, weighs about 400lbs) and a number of other items for doing the larger bits. Mostly it's some of the simple smaller tools which are the handiest (assortment of modelling knives, small hacksaw, cutting board, pencils and sanding blocks/paper. If you are fortunate enough to have a lathe you will obviously save a lot of money on scale fittings, shafts etc, but most people don't have one and have to come up with other methods or $$.
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Bit more progress, bit slow as I had to have a change and 3/4 finish some 1/2 finished jobs on the house). I've fitted the toe rails, glued on the cabin roofs, made the floors, (both 2pc so as to be easy to remove to get at the bilges,) made the shaft support blocks, milled out the shaft slots and slotted the hull to match, ( still have to epoxy blocks in when happy with shaft angles ), made the motor mount plate and trimmed the inside edge excess off the deck.
Still have to make the rear cockpit floor and rear cabin /door panel but I'll wait till I've fitted the motors, as I have to see where the engine boxes end up, (they will probably end up being in the correct place with the motors partly inside the cabin but if I'm clever enough it won't be noticed.
The odd pic out is of some of the tools we use to make our models and don't even think about. I know most of us have our special home made 'tools' for different little jobs (ie sandpaper glued to flat or shaped blocks etc) but I thought for anyone just starting, it might give them an idea of what they could need to make it easier to build a model.
Obviously there are fillers, paints, brushes, planes, drills etc (couldn't fit my mill on the table, weighs about 400lbs) and a number of other items for doing the larger bits. Mostly it's some of the simple smaller tools which are the handiest (assortment of modelling knives, small hacksaw, cutting board, pencils and sanding blocks/paper. If you are fortunate enough to have a lathe you will obviously save a lot of money on scale fittings, shafts etc, but most people don't have one and have to come up with other methods or $$.
Hi Martin, I don't think it will take me as long as the HSL which took about 4 yrs due to me doing a lot of work on the house, plus flying r/c planes and doing up a couple of 100% boats and a back op to boot (6 months off work). Had a busy few years just before I retired!
Prop shafts positions are set up and shafts ready to epoxy in. Have made the brass coil motor cooling tubes and just for fun (and a bit of an experiment) closed circuit heat exchanger so I can use it in salt water, Probably not really necessary but why not,? real boats have them!. The body is part of an alloy bicycle pump and the core is copper tube soldered into 1/2" copper water pipe, crushed down in the vice onto 4"nails to make spaces for the small copper tube to solder into. End piece is a blanking plug for Buteline polybutene house water pipe ground down to a tight press fit in the open end of the pump tube. Exchanger internals look a bit rough but you don't see them. All sealed in with auto gasket silicone.
Motor coils are made of brass tube (can't buy 1m lengths of copper tube from the hobby shop any more, as I found out while doing my 60km round trip) so went with brass. Annealed the brass and wound it tightly round a vacuum cleaner tube which was 10mm smaller in diam than the motor. Once wound they were unwound slightly as they were fitted/screwed onto the motors, giving a good tight fit.
Also made the oiler tubes for the shafts which will have a reservoir tank connected.
The heat exchanger will have its own pump and the main raw water feed will as well. Might have to fit a small header tank above the exchanger if it's needed, but it will never get hot enough to need one .
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Prop shafts positions are set up and shafts ready to epoxy in. Have made the brass coil motor cooling tubes and just for fun (and a bit of an experiment) closed circuit heat exchanger so I can use it in salt water, Probably not really necessary but why not,? real boats have them!. The body is part of an alloy bicycle pump and the core is copper tube soldered into 1/2" copper water pipe, crushed down in the vice onto 4"nails to make spaces for the small copper tube to solder into. End piece is a blanking plug for Buteline polybutene house water pipe ground down to a tight press fit in the open end of the pump tube. Exchanger internals look a bit rough but you don't see them. All sealed in with auto gasket silicone.
Motor coils are made of brass tube (can't buy 1m lengths of copper tube from the hobby shop any more, as I found out while doing my 60km round trip) so went with brass. Annealed the brass and wound it tightly round a vacuum cleaner tube which was 10mm smaller in diam than the motor. Once wound they were unwound slightly as they were fitted/screwed onto the motors, giving a good tight fit.
Also made the oiler tubes for the shafts which will have a reservoir tank connected.
The heat exchanger will have its own pump and the main raw water feed will as well. Might have to fit a small header tank above the exchanger if it's needed, but it will never get hot enough to need one .
Hi Martin, shouldn't be a problem as there will be a pretty good flow going through everything. I run a brushed 12v 380 15000 rpm motor in the Maiami with no cooling at all, it gets pretty hot (like MC Hammer-"can't touch that") but it's been running like that for a few years so far,- (also 2x same in my MTB,- 15yrs so far with a computer fan sucking air through the boat) plus they are so cheap on Aliexpress etc that they are not worth worrying about. Not sure with these 540 motors but I'll post the results after I've given it a sound thrashing. They are only 6v and are designed for crawler/truck use (high revs/low gearing with no cooling so should be fine. Also the heat exchanger is 22 diam x 140 long so holds a fair amount of water. Bit of an experiment and will be great if it works well.
How's the pike coming along, getting the internals sorted yet?
John B
Have made the rudders, shaft struts and steering arms. Steering arms were brass strip (6mm x 1mm) drilled to suit 3mm ID stepped OD aircraft wheel collars (HK,- large OD 7mm, small OD 5mm). Kept strip in full length while drilling then soldering each collar, then cut to length afterwards (easier to manage). Have made the rudders, shaft struts and steering arms. Steering arms were brass strip (6mm x 1mm) drilled to suit 3mm ID stepped OD aircraft wheel collars (HK,- large OD 7mm, small OD 5mm). Kept strip in full length while drilling then soldering each collar, then cut to length afterwards (easier to manage). Drive shaft tubes are epoxied in but still have to tidy epoxy up and streamline the drive shaft tubes back and front where they leave the hull (see sketch)to avoid cavitation at higher speeds.
Struts are same brass strip, wrapped around shaft tube and drawn tight with pliers, then legs cut and filed to size and soldered to hull 'mounts' (again using full length strip and cutting to size and filing later). These will be epoxied into the hull and thick cyno'd to the tube as they are only for decoration. Steering will be by a plastic aircraft cable (40yr old Graupner left-over cable actually) running up past half way to the servo. No new technology here!
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Have made the rudders, shaft struts and steering arms. Steering arms were brass strip (6mm x 1mm) drilled to suit 3mm ID stepped OD aircraft wheel collars (HK,- large OD 7mm, small OD 5mm). Kept strip in full length while drilling then soldering each collar, then cut to length afterwards (easier to manage). Have made the rudders, shaft struts and steering arms. Steering arms were brass strip (6mm x 1mm) drilled to suit 3mm ID stepped OD aircraft wheel collars (HK,- large OD 7mm, small OD 5mm). Kept strip in full length while drilling then soldering each collar, then cut to length afterwards (easier to manage). Drive shaft tubes are epoxied in but still have to tidy epoxy up and streamline the drive shaft tubes back and front where they leave the hull (see sketch)to avoid cavitation at higher speeds.
Struts are same brass strip, wrapped around shaft tube and drawn tight with pliers, then legs cut and filed to size and soldered to hull 'mounts' (again using full length strip and cutting to size and filing later). These will be epoxied into the hull and thick cyno'd to the tube as they are only for decoration. Steering will be by a plastic aircraft cable (40yr old Graupner left-over cable actually) running up past half way to the servo. No new technology here!
would it not be worth using a system called the closed loop system? this gives you a better / more precise control over your rudders. I take it that the rubber tube between the two rudders is just a temporary thing - just to get the size etc., ? but, here's a photograph (if you don't mind) of a system I use on the majority of my twin ruddered models - especially on MTBs and high speed models.
Thanks John, nice compact set-up. Mine will end up the same but with one less link. The plastic tube is the link between the 2 rudders and is very stiff R/C aircraft inner control cable. Once cut to final size it will have a steel rod stiffener inside along with the threaded rod inserts, (could just use threaded rod but probably won't need it as the link will only be about 2 1/2" long).
If I had the height, your set-up would be great but with the deep open cockpit there is unfortunately no room ( plus rudder tubes need to be tall enough) and I have to run the servo cable along under the deck.
I've used this system in my MTB (rudder servo is in the bow) and 100 series HSL and it has worked with no problems re- maneuverability (see my Thornycroft MTB vid). As long as everything is braced and without play it works well.
If you don't have to make a right angle at the stern you can make a direct connection to one side of the link arm also, as with some full sized boats with hydraulic or Morse cable steering (twin o/boards for eg -one steers the other - outer cable fixed to o/b bracket, steers 1 and they have a link rod at the back).
I'll have a look at using your set-up if I make another twin model, as I like the idea.
John B
Finished making the floors (which are all removable) and the engine boxes. Finished closing in the rear of the cabin, (still to make the door) The engine boxes will be glued to the rear cabin and will come off with the cabin as one piece. Took a bit of mucking around to figure out how everything was going to come out easily but it's no fun if there's no challenge!
Still have the internal wheelhouse to rear cabin door to make, and dash, wheel, masts, lights etc, plus I might look at making the wheelhouse fold up access/windows workable although it's just something else to break. I might set the rudders up then remove them ready for painting the hull.
I have given the deck and coamings a good coat of dope (real aircraft stuff which I buy by the quart, much better than the watered down expensive stuff you buy from the hobby shops) to seal everything. As previously mentioned, the inside of the hull up to the chines will be resin coated.
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Finished making the floors (which are all removable) and the engine boxes. Finished closing in the rear of the cabin, (still to make the door) The engine boxes will be glued to the rear cabin and will come off with the cabin as one piece. Took a bit of mucking around to figure out how everything was going to come out easily but it's no fun if there's no challenge!
Still have the internal wheelhouse to rear cabin door to make, and dash, wheel, masts, lights etc, plus I might look at making the wheelhouse fold up access/windows workable although it's just something else to break. I might set the rudders up then remove them ready for painting the hull.
I have given the deck and coamings a good coat of dope (real aircraft stuff which I buy by the quart, much better than the watered down expensive stuff you buy from the hobby shops) to seal everything. As previously mentioned, the inside of the hull up to the chines will be resin coated.
Hi R.S, Things haven't changed a lot with planing hulls in all this time. They have a bit more width in the stern these days with the planing area a bit further aft, which I think is because of the aft coaming designs and stern drives etc which need more support . These old hulls still have lovely lines and worked very well in the conditions they were designed for. The pic is of the second reincarnation of the ex RNZAF BPB 64ft HSL here in Auckland. You would not guess the hull was 80 years old (and still in good nic)
Trial fitting all the plumbing for the heat exchanger to make sure coamings will still fit. Small pump behind port motor is the circulation pump and the other is the raw water pump. Also fitted the ESCs and made the battery holders. would have liked the batteries and pumps nearer the stern, but not enough room under the floors. May have to put a few sinkers in the stern to get the WL correct. That can come at the end once everything else is done, (paint etc)
Rudder system is also temporarily hooked up and works fine. Will remove and test water system shortly. Using 6mm silicone hose for the raw water pump for better flow. As can be seen, everything tucks away quite nicely out of sight, (was sort of like death by a thousand cuts,- fitted by a thousand slots!) some pretty close fits here and there. could have done without the heat exchanger but I don't do things the easy way.
Got to try fitting a smoke machine in somewhere so I can have smoke coming out the exhausts with the water (more tubes, more bits!) and a sound unit! Might be pushing it, but I managed to fit twin units on the HSL and that's a lot narrower. Might be a rack system yet, plenty of room upwards in the cabin. Don't really want to put anything in the wheel house, just wheel, instruments etc.
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Trial fitting all the plumbing for the heat exchanger to make sure coamings will still fit. Small pump behind port motor is the circulation pump and the other is the raw water pump. Also fitted the ESCs and made the battery holders. would have liked the batteries and pumps nearer the stern, but not enough room under the floors. May have to put a few sinkers in the stern to get the WL correct. That can come at the end once everything else is done, (paint etc)
Rudder system is also temporarily hooked up and works fine. Will remove and test water system shortly. Using 6mm silicone hose for the raw water pump for better flow. As can be seen, everything tucks away quite nicely out of sight, (was sort of like death by a thousand cuts,- fitted by a thousand slots!) some pretty close fits here and there. could have done without the heat exchanger but I don't do things the easy way.
Got to try fitting a smoke machine in somewhere so I can have smoke coming out the exhausts with the water (more tubes, more bits!) and a sound unit! Might be pushing it, but I managed to fit twin units on the HSL and that's a lot narrower. Might be a rack system yet, plenty of room upwards in the cabin. Don't really want to put anything in the wheel house, just wheel, instruments etc.
Not sure if I can put much more up front Rob, it balances just in front of the motors now so will probably need a bit of rear ballast. I'll see how it floats before getting too carried away, although still working on the smoke out the exhaust idea (have 3 smoke machines to experiment with.)
Trying out the heat exchanger and raw water pumps. Vid is a bit boring as you can't see much going on other than the water coming out the exhausts. I left a bit of air in the closed cooling system so I could see if the water was circulating (you can see a few bubbles travelling around,-not in the vid unfortunately) Everything works well but the circulation pump is a bit noisy (running on 8v) but the main pump is quiet (running half speed on 6v - through a UBEC ) Both pumps are powered from a 2200Mah 2s LiPo at the stern, under the cockpit floor and operated by a remote switch. Main pump draws water from a pickup near the stern.
Trying out the heat exchanger and raw water pumps. Vid is a bit boring as you can't see much going on other than the water coming out the exhausts. I left a bit of air in the closed cooling system so I could see if the water was circulating (you can see a few bubbles travelling around,-not in the vid unfortunately) Everything works well but the circulation pump is a bit noisy (running on 8v) but the main pump is quiet (running half speed on 6v - through a UBEC ) Both pumps are powered from a 2200Mah 2s LiPo at the stern, under the cockpit floor and operated by a remote switch. Main pump draws water from a pickup near the stern.
Nah Doug its a perestaltic / dosing pump (like an R/C plane refueler - 2 rollers on a silicone tube u bend, crude but effective but also noisy, the main pump is a diaphragm pump which I also have in my HSL and is very quiet. I'm only running the main pump on 6v because it would be a jet boat on 12v.
Hi Martin, I've filled it up to the top with a syringe but the small bubbles are good for an indicator as you can't see any movement otherwise. I could just make a small header tank, (or even a bit of the large silicon tube mounted vertically on a T and it would bleed itself. I'll see if it gets hot, and if so I'll probably make a small tank for expansion so it doesn't pop the hoses off.
There is good circulation all round so hopefully it won't be an issue, I certainly won't be racing it, (it's getting heavier by the minute - coming up on 6lbs and with paint and batteries probably a shade over.) It will need the weight to make it sit properly as the hull was only about 1 3/4 lbs . It will be interesting to see how these motors perform, these are 6v 45T but I can always go to 60T or 12v for more grunt. The combinations are endless!
Most of the motor electrics fitted (just rudder servo and lights to set up yet.) Sprayed a few coats of heavy acrylic undercoat on and sanded back. Will spray another coat or two before top coat. Weather was good for painting today, so set it up and sprayed it outside in the sun.
Both motor covers are now glued to the bulkhead so the coamings come off as one piece as previously mentioned. Made a Mahogany door for the aft cabin and will probably do the same for the internal door from the wheelhouse.
Faired the shaft tubes as well with some West System resin and filler powder.. Gets a bit more exciting when you can start painting. May give the coamings a spray yet, but need to make sure I don't need to correct anything.
Ordered the grab rail stanchions from CMB, also another sound unit from Ali Express. I have dozens of coloured LEDs for the lights (miniature Xmas string lights) which I bought on
an end of year sale which are perfect for nav and interior lights (just cut off what you need and solder on some leads). They seem to handle the voltage ok . The clear ones I usually paint dark yellow to get a more realistic colour, and power them with a small 2 AA battery compartment (which comes with the lights) which is wired to a remote switch.
Haven't done a lot the past week as I've had a bad case of the plague and I'm just getting back into things.
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Most of the motor electrics fitted (just rudder servo and lights to set up yet.) Sprayed a few coats of heavy acrylic undercoat on and sanded back. Will spray another coat or two before top coat. Weather was good for painting today, so set it up and sprayed it outside in the sun.
Both motor covers are now glued to the bulkhead so the coamings come off as one piece as previously mentioned. Made a Mahogany door for the aft cabin and will probably do the same for the internal door from the wheelhouse.
Faired the shaft tubes as well with some West System resin and filler powder.. Gets a bit more exciting when you can start painting. May give the coamings a spray yet, but need to make sure I don't need to correct anything.
Ordered the grab rail stanchions from CMB, also another sound unit from Ali Express. I have dozens of coloured LEDs for the lights (miniature Xmas string lights) which I bought on
an end of year sale which are perfect for nav and interior lights (just cut off what you need and solder on some leads). They seem to handle the voltage ok . The clear ones I usually paint dark yellow to get a more realistic colour, and power them with a small 2 AA battery compartment (which comes with the lights) which is wired to a remote switch.
Haven't done a lot the past week as I've had a bad case of the plague and I'm just getting back into things.
Hi JB,
Now that you have been able to splash a bit of colour on her I bet you feel as though you are finally starting to get somewhere.
Keep up the good work.
Starting to see a bit of light Martin, Once the hull is painted it will be pretty much ready to run/ check W/L etc. Still have windows, wheelhouse detail, lights, internal painting etc which is not too big a job. Middle of winter so waiting to paint (or for paint to dry) wastes a lot of time.
John B
Just thrown some paint at the hull (sides and bottom 'anti fouling'), fitted the deflectors on the cabin tops and drilled the rear small port hole. Also have drawn up the name template to make the waterslide decal. I can start fitting the shafts and rudders now. Will flat off the 'antifouling' as it's a bit glossy at the mo.
Also, my 'GT Power' sound unit turned up and I've managed to find a suitable sound near enough to the Detroit 453s the original had fitted (unit comes with 58 car/truck sounds installed). With this sound unit you can record a sound, send it to GT Power and they will make a file and send it back so you can download it to the unit via USB (or so the guy says) Might give it a shot.
I'm not using the LEDs supplied (for lights, indicators etc but could use a couple for reverse and forward, (you can program a few things via USB) You can add sirens/horns etc as well. Have another one coming which is the new one piece model, (they even do a bluetooth one which can be phone operated/adjusted by an app) Gives the model a bit of 'sumpin' xtra. (nothing to do with certain Thai 'women' for those who were thinkin' 😜!)
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Just thrown some paint at the hull (sides and bottom 'anti fouling'), fitted the deflectors on the cabin tops and drilled the rear small port hole. Also have drawn up the name template to make the waterslide decal. I can start fitting the shafts and rudders now. Will flat off the 'antifouling' as it's a bit glossy at the mo.
Also, my 'GT Power' sound unit turned up and I've managed to find a suitable sound near enough to the Detroit 453s the original had fitted (unit comes with 58 car/truck sounds installed). With this sound unit you can record a sound, send it to GT Power and they will make a file and send it back so you can download it to the unit via USB (or so the guy says) Might give it a shot.
I'm not using the LEDs supplied (for lights, indicators etc but could use a couple for reverse and forward, (you can program a few things via USB) You can add sirens/horns etc as well. Have another one coming which is the new one piece model, (they even do a bluetooth one which can be phone operated/adjusted by an app) Gives the model a bit of 'sumpin' xtra. (nothing to do with certain Thai 'women' for those who were thinkin' 😜!)
Ta Doug, still have to tidy up the waterline with a black 'boot topping' but we're getting somewhere. Just have to blow the grease out of the shaft tube ends (was to stop the acrylic paint getting in the bearings) and I can bung the shafts props and rudders in. Might make a few deck fittings today, although the bad case of Ebola I have is slowing me down at the moment. Need to get over to the model shop to get some brass rod to make the 'T' cleats.
My grab rail stanchions haven't turned up from CMB yet but I only ordered them on the 20th, and they are coming by Royal Snail, so probably a few weeks yet. Most things take a month to get here and a week to come from the airport to me (only 62km or 1hr 20mins away across Auckland!)- changes couriers 2 or 3 times in the process.
Re chicks with 'accessories,' you'd have to be careful on holiday in T land, imagine the surprise of finding out she's carrying more than a handbag!😮
John B
Aerial masts made and wheelhouse ribbing on. Acetate windows cut out (require painted trim around boarder (time to get out the BIG glasses) Tried the shafts out, wasn't expecting much and wasn't disappointed. Shafts are stainless but are soft, and look to have been turned, instead of being made of straight wire. Wondered why everything just about jumped out of the boat at high revs, turned out to be the shafts which looked like pretzels and were throwing themselves out by miles.
Took them out and tried to roll them on the bench top, -ever tried to roll a banana?!. Managed to straighten the worst one about 90% but it was impossible to get it dead right as it had a spiral built in (quality Chinese machining). The bearings are crap as well and 'snatch' quite often (probably soft balls and slack clearance) but I'll replace them with some better quality NMB high speed ones if they don't last, and make shafts from 4mm silver steel or straight wire.
The complete shafts didn't cost much (no more than the brass tube alone required from the LHS) so I'm not too worried. If I'd had a lathe I would have made my own with teflon bushes. The shafts would be fine on a slower revving model (0-5000rpm maybe) but they start flexing at around 8,000 (no load) where it all goes banana shaped. I've also removed the heat exchanger I fitted as I was running out of room for more important gadgets like sound (Just did it as an experiment, nothing serious (I'll do a quick sound demo vid soon, works well)
When my lungs recover from 3 weeks of the black plague I'll paint the coamings and fit the windows, (still waiting for my grab-rail stanchions from CMB). Will make a start on the wheel house fitting out when I get time (need to find a wheel etc, -might have to haunt the toy stores).
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Aerial masts made and wheelhouse ribbing on. Acetate windows cut out (require painted trim around boarder (time to get out the BIG glasses) Tried the shafts out, wasn't expecting much and wasn't disappointed. Shafts are stainless but are soft, and look to have been turned, instead of being made of straight wire. Wondered why everything just about jumped out of the boat at high revs, turned out to be the shafts which looked like pretzels and were throwing themselves out by miles.
Took them out and tried to roll them on the bench top, -ever tried to roll a banana?!. Managed to straighten the worst one about 90% but it was impossible to get it dead right as it had a spiral built in (quality Chinese machining). The bearings are crap as well and 'snatch' quite often (probably soft balls and slack clearance) but I'll replace them with some better quality NMB high speed ones if they don't last, and make shafts from 4mm silver steel or straight wire.
The complete shafts didn't cost much (no more than the brass tube alone required from the LHS) so I'm not too worried. If I'd had a lathe I would have made my own with teflon bushes. The shafts would be fine on a slower revving model (0-5000rpm maybe) but they start flexing at around 8,000 (no load) where it all goes banana shaped. I've also removed the heat exchanger I fitted as I was running out of room for more important gadgets like sound (Just did it as an experiment, nothing serious (I'll do a quick sound demo vid soon, works well)
When my lungs recover from 3 weeks of the black plague I'll paint the coamings and fit the windows, (still waiting for my grab-rail stanchions from CMB). Will make a start on the wheel house fitting out when I get time (need to find a wheel etc, -might have to haunt the toy stores).
Sorry for late reply, I would definitely leave it as supplied, its already tougher than stainless and any heat treatment will almost certainly cause some bending in a piece as long as a prop shaft. So I just tread it, again very carefully using the screws on the die stock to open the die fully on the first cut, making sure you use a good quality cutting oil.
Thanks for that MT, that's what I thought re the hardening, and was thinking about distortion,- hence my question. I have used silver steel many times for various items ( + hardening it) but have never tried it in such a small diameter for an application such as a shaft. I've managed to get these a bit straighter by rolling and tweaking them but I'm not happy with the soft stainless. I've got them down to around .01mm but the clearance in the bearings (and shaft to bearing) is also contributing to the noise. When it's all ready to go, I'll fill them up with oil and see how they run.
John B
Keep it up.
Martin.