complete scratch built on a glass fibre hull here are a few more photos to show the progress that has been made still a lot of work to do boat powered by a540 motor driving a 60mm 3 bladed prop I sail at pickie pool in bangor co down Robert waterson angus
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complete scratch built on a glass fibre hull here are a few more photos to show the progress that has been made still a lot of work to do boat powered by a540 motor driving a 60mm 3 bladed prop I sail at pickie pool in bangor co down Robert waterson angus
alan the hull is fibre glass scale model of new venture moulded by bill wood for me she is same scale and design as my own fishing boat was built early 70s all the rest is totally scratch built from my original drawings glad you like it winch lights radar all wired up and working I hope to give it arun out on next sunday morning allgoing well will put some pictures on afterwards rgds r w angus
alan the hull is fibre glass scale model of new venture moulded by bill wood for me she is same scale and design as my own fishing boat was built early 70s all the rest is totally scratch built from my original drawings glad you like it winch lights radar all wired up and working I hope to give it arun out on next sunday morning allgoing well will put some pictures on afterwards rgds r w angus
My scatch built 200th scale model of a KVG V class Battle Ship, the Duke of York. Based 0n 1/720th Revel plastic kit, 30 years old. First sail after a "refit" after being laid up in Garden shed for 10 or so years, fortunately was not as damaged as the Bismark store in same shed, as it was in a drier part of a leaky shed, just replaced some decking (with plastic sheet), added some missing small armament, lockers, Gun directors, Walrus Sea Plane etc I'd left of earlier model. She was original powered by 4 - 540 size motors, running 2mm Props (.50p each those where the days), upgraded her to run two on just twin props (4mm), leaving outer pair as dummies, may re connect at a later date. Brought her electrics upto 2.4 Ghz standard. Sailed well very steady on this her first sail after refit, at Ethrow Park.
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My scatch built 200th scale model of a KVG V class Battle Ship, the Duke of York. Based 0n 1/720th Revel plastic kit, 30 years old. First sail after a "refit" after being laid up in Garden shed for 10 or so years, fortunately was not as damaged as the Bismark store in same shed, as it was in a drier part of a leaky shed, just replaced some decking (with plastic sheet), added some missing small armament, lockers, Gun directors, Walrus Sea Plane etc I'd left of earlier model. She was original powered by 4 - 540 size motors, running 2mm Props (.50p each those where the days), upgraded her to run two on just twin props (4mm), leaving outer pair as dummies, may re connect at a later date. Brought her electrics upto 2.4 Ghz standard. Sailed well very steady on this her first sail after refit, at Ethrow Park.
SemI Kit, I.e fibreglass hull and superstructure and wooden rubbing strake all the rest is scratch built. A very good sailer and very stable. Quick to build only a month and powered by 540motor and 35mm prop. Lasted for hours on one charge.
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SemI Kit, I.e fibreglass hull and superstructure and wooden rubbing strake all the rest is scratch built. A very good sailer and very stable. Quick to build only a month and powered by 540motor and 35mm prop. Lasted for hours on one charge.
Hi!
I got it from "Boats and Bits" in Newton le Willows who closed down over 10 years ago.
Try Steve at Scale Hobbies in Skelmersdale.
Google--- Scalehobbies Skemersdale.
Good Luck
Max.
Hi!
I got it from "Boats and Bits" in Newton le Willows who closed down over 10 years ago.
Try Steve at Scale Hobbies in Skelmersdale.
Google--- Scalehobbies Skemersdale.
Good Luck
Max.
Thanks for the info, I'll give it a go. trouble is I've had the hull since 1982 so it's a bit out of date as Cygnus then started to produce the GM 33 Continental like yours. But I'm not beat yet, even if I have to end up making the wheelhouse from scratch ! 😰
Thanks for the info, I'll give it a go. trouble is I've had the hull since 1982 so it's a bit out of date as Cygnus then started to produce the GM 33 Continental like yours. But I'm not beat yet, even if I have to end up making the wheelhouse from scratch ! 😰
HI All, Heres some pics of my "American" tug boat based on one of McAllister's tugs. it is scratch built from Images on the net, plank on frames in pine, cut on my bandsaw. it has working lights and radar scanner. it's powered by an electronize 540-12 motor and a 6v 4amp SLA battery.
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HI All, Heres some pics of my "American" tug boat based on one of McAllister's tugs. it is scratch built from Images on the net, plank on frames in pine, cut on my bandsaw. it has working lights and radar scanner. it's powered by an electronize 540-12 motor and a 6v 4amp SLA battery.
This is my tug Alte Liebe. it is a Caldercraft kit and is almost 1 metre in length. I have installed an MFA 540 motor with a 2.5:1 reduction gear and operate her on 6 volt SLA's. With ballast she is fairly heavy coming in at about 15 kg.
I have just added a photo of my tug breaking the Ice on our lake a couple of weeks ago.(December 2012)
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This is my tug Alte Liebe. it is a Caldercraft kit and is almost 1 metre in length. I have installed an MFA 540 motor with a 2.5:1 reduction gear and operate her on 6 volt SLA's. With ballast she is fairly heavy coming in at about 15 kg.
I have just added a photo of my tug breaking the Ice on our lake a couple of weeks ago.(December 2012)
Bought off ebay, where else! Had been started as a cruiser, with one very small electric motor,then put in a loft for goodness knows how many years.Replaced prop shaft with 2, 40mm r/h and l/h props, 2x 540 motors running through 40a esc.Radio is 27mhz. 2ch. would like to swap to 2ghz to get rid of the unsightly aerial! I am awaiting some plasticard windows to Improve the looks and will slowly add fittings as and when.I tend to sail it every now and again on the boating lake in BUXTON, no-one has shouted as yet,though I'm not sure the swans approve.!: The photo on the water was just as the power was running down, none as yet at speed.It is very manoeverable with the twin rudders,almost on the gunwhales at speed.
{"text":"Bought off ebay, where else! Had been started as a cruiser, with one very small electric motor,then put in a loft for goodness knows how many years.Replaced prop shaft with 2, 40mm r/h and l/h props, 2x 540 motors running through 40a esc.Radio is 27mhz. 2ch. would like to swap to 2ghz to get rid of the unsightly aerial! I am awaiting some plasticard windows to Improve the looks and will slowly add fittings as and when.I tend to sail it every now and again on the boating lake in BUXTON, no-one has shouted as yet,though I'm not sure the swans approve.!: The photo on the water was just as the power was running down, none as yet at speed.It is very manoeverable with the twin rudders,almost on the gunwhales at speed.","subject":"Aerokits 34\" hull","media":[{"id":"1333544216","name":"1333544216.jpg","caption":"","url":"https://hobby.land/media/1333544216/l","thumbUrl":"https://hobby.land/media/1333544216/s","isImage":true,"ext":"jpg"},{"id":"1333544003","name":"1333544003.jpg","caption":"","url":"https://hobby.land/media/1333544003/l","thumbUrl":"https://hobby.land/media/1333544003/s","isImage":true,"ext":"jpg"}],"youtubeUrl":""}
Bought off ebay, where else! Had been started as a cruiser, with one very small electric motor,then put in a loft for goodness knows how many years.Replaced prop shaft with 2, 40mm r/h and l/h props, 2x 540 motors running through 40a esc.Radio is 27mhz. 2ch. would like to swap to 2ghz to get rid of the unsightly aerial! I am awaiting some plasticard windows to Improve the looks and will slowly add fittings as and when.I tend to sail it every now and again on the boating lake in BUXTON, no-one has shouted as yet,though I'm not sure the swans approve.!: The photo on the water was just as the power was running down, none as yet at speed.It is very manoeverable with the twin rudders,almost on the gunwhales at speed.
HDML SCRATCHT BUILD MOTORS SHAFTS PROPS FITTED
BUILT FROM FREE PLAN , ALL WEAPONS SCRATCH BUILT RUNNING ON 540 MOTORS
LARRY
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Built from light ply and balsa from a plan available on the Model Hovercraft Association website (under resources) www.modelhover.org it is powered by two 540 brushed motors with dedicated speed controllers.
This model has now been sold and replaced with a newly built Canadian Coastguard Griffon 2000TD built off a Mark Porter plan but using two Graupner Speed 600 motors, one powered by a 3000 Li-Po battery for thrust and the other on a 7.2v Ni-Cad for lift.
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Built from light ply and balsa from a plan available on the Model Hovercraft Association website (under resources) www.modelhover.org it is powered by two 540 brushed motors with dedicated speed controllers.
This model has now been sold and replaced with a newly built Canadian Coastguard Griffon 2000TD built off a Mark Porter plan but using two Graupner Speed 600 motors, one powered by a 3000 Li-Po battery for thrust and the other on a 7.2v Ni-Cad for lift.
Check out the website at www.rc-hovercraft.com where construction details in photos show how I built the griffon 2000TD
and also the military version 2000TD(M).
Check out the website at www.rc-hovercraft.com where construction details in photos show how I built the griffon 2000TD
and also the military version 2000TD(M).
Here are my latest pics of a trimar frigate that I am building. it is totally scratch built with twim screws powered by two 540 motors and twim escs. The radar antenna, nav lights and turret all turn and work
{"text":"Here are my latest pics of a trimar frigate that I am building. it is totally scratch built with twim screws powered by two 540 motors and twim escs. The radar antenna, nav lights and turret all turn and work","subject":"Stealth frigate","media":[{"id":"1300561223","name":"1300561223.jpg","caption":"","url":"https://hobby.land/media/1300561223/l","thumbUrl":"https://hobby.land/media/1300561223/s","isImage":true,"ext":"jpg"},{"id":"1300561224","name":"1300561224.jpg","caption":"","url":"https://hobby.land/media/1300561224/l","thumbUrl":"https://hobby.land/media/1300561224/s","isImage":true,"ext":"jpg"},{"id":"1300561225","name":"1300561225.jpg","caption":"","url":"https://hobby.land/media/1300561225/l","thumbUrl":"https://hobby.land/media/1300561225/s","isImage":true,"ext":"jpg"},{"id":"1300561226","name":"1300561226.jpg","caption":"","url":"https://hobby.land/media/1300561226/l","thumbUrl":"https://hobby.land/media/1300561226/s","isImage":true,"ext":"jpg"}],"youtubeUrl":""}
Here are my latest pics of a trimar frigate that I am building. it is totally scratch built with twim screws powered by two 540 motors and twim escs. The radar antenna, nav lights and turret all turn and work
This boat was scratch built from Harold Underhill plans, available still from Brown,Son and Ferguson. The hull was mahogany on 6mm ply frames. The engine was a Caton from Maxwell Hemmens supplied bya gas-fired Cheddar Puffin boiler. The propeller was a two inch four bladed brass job from Rivabo I think. The displacement of the boat is 25lb- a bit of a lump to carry to the water but it does work well once in the water. She has now been converted to electric using a MFA geared 540 type motor witha 7.5ah lead acid gel cell. Looking again at this video I begin to wish I had left it as steam but there is something to be said for 'switch on and go'.
I started building the boat in the mid nineties and it has now had a repaint- it always been a favourite. This video was taken in the early noughties at Crealy in Exeter.
{"text":"This boat was scratch built from Harold Underhill plans, available still from Brown,Son and Ferguson. The hull was mahogany on 6mm ply frames. The engine was a Caton from Maxwell Hemmens supplied bya gas-fired Cheddar Puffin boiler. The propeller was a two inch four bladed brass job from Rivabo I think. The displacement of the boat is 25lb- a bit of a lump to carry to the water but it does work well once in the water. She has now been converted to electric using a MFA geared 540 type motor witha 7.5ah lead acid gel cell. Looking again at this video I begin to wish I had left it as steam but there is something to be said for 'switch on and go'.\r\nI started building the boat in the mid nineties and it has now had a repaint- it always been a favourite. This video was taken in the early noughties at Crealy in Exeter.","subject":"Steam Patrol Boat 'Dunlin'","media":[],"youtubeUrl":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxbp15vKnlU"}
This boat was scratch built from Harold Underhill plans, available still from Brown,Son and Ferguson. The hull was mahogany on 6mm ply frames. The engine was a Caton from Maxwell Hemmens supplied bya gas-fired Cheddar Puffin boiler. The propeller was a two inch four bladed brass job from Rivabo I think. The displacement of the boat is 25lb- a bit of a lump to carry to the water but it does work well once in the water. She has now been converted to electric using a MFA geared 540 type motor witha 7.5ah lead acid gel cell. Looking again at this video I begin to wish I had left it as steam but there is something to be said for 'switch on and go'.
I started building the boat in the mid nineties and it has now had a repaint- it always been a favourite. This video was taken in the early noughties at Crealy in Exeter.
Thames Fire Service fire boat,this has twin 540 motors,12v pumps(not working yet) and nav lights.Fibreglass hull with wood decks etc.
The model is quite old and has been a static for some time until it fell into my hands,the name Gamma on the bow.
Looks pretty much scratch built and a very good job whoever did it.
Sails occasionally at Gang Werily Fawley Hants.
This is another work in progress,hopefully we will make it to a fun-day maybe next year.
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Thames Fire Service fire boat,this has twin 540 motors,12v pumps(not working yet) and nav lights.Fibreglass hull with wood decks etc.
The model is quite old and has been a static for some time until it fell into my hands,the name Gamma on the bow.
Looks pretty much scratch built and a very good job whoever did it.
Sails occasionally at Gang Werily Fawley Hants.
This is another work in progress,hopefully we will make it to a fun-day maybe next year.
"Gamma' was a sister ship to the well known Massey Shaw fire boat the latter on which I served during the sixties. Both craft did trojan service during WW ll, Fb. Massey Shaw also took part in the Dunkirk Evacuations. Gamma was retired in the mid 50's, the company that bought her removed her pumps and converted her to a Thames Passenger Cruiser whereafter she plied between Greenwich and Westminster Piers for several years.
"Gamma' was a sister ship to the well known Massey Shaw fire boat the latter on which I served during the sixties. Both craft did trojan service during WW ll, Fb. Massey Shaw also took part in the Dunkirk Evacuations. Gamma was retired in the mid 50's, the company that bought her removed her pumps and converted her to a Thames Passenger Cruiser whereafter she plied between Greenwich and Westminster Piers for several years.
WOW! BRAVO ZULU! That's really cool that you gave her life. I have built static kits most of my life, but in 89, I built my 1st RC USCG MLB. I still love statics, but watching a boat (or plane) that I've built, actually perform like the actual craft is wonderful.
WOW! BRAVO ZULU! That's really cool that you gave her life. I have built static kits most of my life, but in 89, I built my 1st RC USCG MLB. I still love statics, but watching a boat (or plane) that I've built, actually perform like the actual craft is wonderful.
My first post on site as a new member !
I can't take credit for the building this Deans Marine kit, my father did that some 15 years ago but as a static model. When he passed away the ship came to me and a few months ago I decided to make it seaworthy.
She used a standard MabuchI 540RS motor geared down using two 6v lead acid batteries - and runs for hours !
The pictures were taken at Peterborough Area Model Boat Club during our Sunday meet. I'm thrilled with it, very realistic at over four feet long, smooth and very manoeuvrable - Dad would have loved it :-))
I have a dozen or so RC boats, mostly vintage Aerokits and Veron, just bought my first Fire Boat to restore - more to follow I hope. Thanks for looking, Roger
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My first post on site as a new member !
I can't take credit for the building this Deans Marine kit, my father did that some 15 years ago but as a static model. When he passed away the ship came to me and a few months ago I decided to make it seaworthy.
She used a standard MabuchI 540RS motor geared down using two 6v lead acid batteries - and runs for hours !
The pictures were taken at Peterborough Area Model Boat Club during our Sunday meet. I'm thrilled with it, very realistic at over four feet long, smooth and very manoeuvrable - Dad would have loved it :-))
I have a dozen or so RC boats, mostly vintage Aerokits and Veron, just bought my first Fire Boat to restore - more to follow I hope. Thanks for looking, Roger
Alan